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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29749)	2/8/2000 2:10:00 AM
From: Berry Picker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Steve - you are SO SURE you are right that you intend to deliver us from the truth !!! We have been telling you in no uncertain terms that GOD did not love Pharoah EVER !!! God created Pharoah to show His glory in Judgement and Righteousness... Pharoah would not ever bow the knee to God... For that He was judged. Pharaoh COULD NOT bow the knee to God... because God left him in a carnal and fallen state that he inherited from Adam in the Garden. Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. That is what the Bible clearly states... however if you are going to get on your knees and get the "FEELING" that we are wrong rather than trust God's Word then we cannot help you. John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. If Jesus LOVED EVERYONE - He would have prayed for everyone ! Don't you pray for those you love??? There are those who "accept Jesus and do miracles" who Jesus does not KNOW - " I never ever KNEW you " Math 7:22 Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: If any man hears it is because God has granted him the ears to hear... If any man see it is because God has granted him the eyes to see... Matthew 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. Blessed = Blessed by God = Spiritual ( born - again ) Ears The question is ' CAN STEVE HEAR US ??? ' 1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29749)	2/8/2000 9:06:00 AM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Robert, You don't even have to respond to the post about God's overruling someones good decision. I know what your answer is going to be upon more inspiration. You are going to say God would never have to overrule someones good decision because they can't make one. This situation can't come in to play with our sinful nature. We are not capable of making a good decision on our own! Do I have that right? If I do, then why did God have to harden Pharaoh's heart? Pharaoh could never had made a good decision, so why did he have to say he hardened Pharaoh's heart multiple times? The hardening process, a judgement of God, would have not been necessary. Inherent in your belief he could not make a good decision, he was fallen. I know this might sound like I'm repeating myself, but its an inconsistency in what you are saying. And you need to see it. You don't have to harden someones heart not to make the right decision if they already wouldn't make the right decision. It is useless and for nothing. Do you see the logic? God Bless, Steve

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29749)	2/8/2000 10:21:00 AM
From: Barnabus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Steve, ever hear of Job and his "friends?" Have you ever hear of "free will" Baptists? Have you ever heard of John Wesley of England? Whitefield? This argument has been going on for centuries now. There are high calvinists and low calvinists. There are the "in between." There is arminianism - a couple of forms of it. There are the pentecostals, and is the "baptism of the spirit" evidenced by the speaking in tongues. Some say yes, some say no, others say all tongues speaking is of the devil, etc. The "opponents" dig in. For some it is a ball, for others it is a bawl. Thank God the four spiritual laws you show and post from time to time---they are powerful---they would not be attacked by unrepentant sinners, just some forms of calvinism. Sinners love the four laws, and I've had the privilege of leading some to our Lord Jesus Christ using them, as I'm sure you have. You have discovered the rediculous side of calvinism - and to be in a conversation with them is much like Job and albeit, his so-called well meaning friends. There is a man called Steve Who in free will does believe He states a picture Showing scripture But the "opponent" won't receive In all people there is a bias To not believe like "me" they "lie" to us So there is fussing and sparring And some not-so-nice jarring To awaken the "old nature" in us So babies and others go to hell It doesn't matter what you tell So they say That's God's way And John 3:16 really ain't the gospel So, Job---I wish you well---God's blessing upon you. OMB

To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (29749)	2/8/2000 10:21:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Greetings Steve and all who love the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you for your reply. Since starting work on Monday I find I do not have enough time to do the things I must do, so I am off friday and will reply to your last post Steve. Trust you understand Steve The last paragraph of your post certainly does not reflect in the least what I believe. You have not " heard " a word or understood anything we have talked about, which is very evident with what you say by your posts. There is on " Good "and that is God. Your so called " good " decisions are the opposite side of the same coin that " evil " decisions are on. the coin is " ADAM ". God looks from the it's source of origin. " John 6:63, " It is the Spirit who gives life: the " flesh " profits nothing, the words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life " Talk with you Friday Steve , the Lord willing. Take care, God bless, Robert