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To: Charles R who wrote (92347)	2/10/2000 1:57:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573433

Chuckles - "The ePC will be available with Windows 98, NT or 2000 and ship with either Intel Celeron or Pentium III processors. HP will not use AMD chips as the PC maker has found its corporate customers are more comfortable with Intel processors, said the ePC source. " I'll bet you and the Den Mother really liked this part: "HP will not use AMD chips as the PC maker has found its corporate customers are more comfortable with Intel processors, said the ePC source. " Any idea what this implies for AMD's future in the Server area - since HP's customers don't want AMD Wipey's in their desktops? Paul {===============================================} HP likely to begin shipping ePC in April By Joe Wilcox Staff Writer, CNET News.com February 10, 2000, 10:15 a.m. PT URL: news.cnet.com Hewlett-Packard plans to begin shipping its simplified, stylized PC in late April, sources said today, although the market for these machines is still uncertain. Jumping on a trend along with Compaq Computer, IBM and others, HP hopes to woo business customers with a smaller, cheaper PC. This new breed of PCs promises to give businesses the computing power they need for less money than traditional computers, but it remains to be seen how the corporate world will react. Like IBM, which this week released details on its low-cost PC code-named "Stardust," HP has also not decided on a final name for the new model. Code-named "ePC," the unit is about the size of a dictionary and can fit into a briefcase or laptop bag. Compaq started shipping its simpler PC, the iPaq, in late January, available with either Windows 98 or Windows 2000. IBM plans to release Stardust and an-all-in-one LCD model code-named "Luxor" sometime in late April or early May. "We will definitely ship before IBM does," said a source close to the ePC project, who asked not to be identified. Unlike Compaq, which chose to offer two models of iPaq--one shedding "legacy" ports and connectors and another supporting them--HP has taken a "legacy lite" approach. The ePC, which is streamlined down to a hard disk, motherboard and power supply, will come with standard serial and parallel connectors as well as two USB ports. While more computer makers are moving to straight USB, which can substantially cut the cost of producing PCs, HP opted for the middle ground of keeping serial and parallel ports while adding USB. The Palo Alto, Calif.-based computer maker conducted research that found the majority of corporate customers wanted the older connectors, said another source close to the ePC project. HP has taken a controversial sealed-case approach, which could hamper servicing, and it nearly prohibits processor and hard drive upgrades. The ePC will be available with Windows 98, NT or 2000 and ship with either Intel Celeron or Pentium III processors. HP will not use AMD chips as the PC maker has found its corporate customers are more comfortable with Intel processors, said the ePC source. In a move similar to Apple's approach with iMac and PowerMac desktops, ePC will not ship with a floppy drive. A CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive will be an optional item. HP has not set a price for ePC, but similar simpler models from Compaq and IBM start in the $500 range. Go to Front Door \| Enterprise Computing \| Search \| Short takes \| One Week View

To: Charles R who wrote (92347)	2/10/2000 2:55:00 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573433

I sure hope Otellini is in charge of the Intel response team again.> Otellini's judgement on the 800MHz was clearly a ill thought out one. Marketing 101 says you don't compete on opponents turf. MHz is currently AMD's turf. Intel's reputation will take a big hit if Paul O continues with the bogus releases. Charles I used to believe, like many still do on the thread, that the problems with cumine are part of this recent fumbling by Intel and that eventually Intel will get back to normal and then AMD needs to watch its butt. Prior to last year I had little experience with either company and had to go by what I read on this thread.....Intel is the great one and AMD is the badly conceived stepbrother. However recently I have begun to change my thinking regarding Intel. The snafus that Intel has encountered this past year are discussed as if they are not the norm; that what's changed is AMD....AMD is becoming a true competitor. However I am beginning to believe that the snafus actually are normal for Intel and have been for some time now (several years) but are only now getting noticed because AMD "is becoming a true competitor". That these snafus in the past have been masked by AMD's fumbling and by Intel's profitability. A great company does not slip all of a sudden....it takes a long time before its off courseness (if there is such a word) is noticed. And so I have to believe that Intel has been off course for a while and its apparent now only because AMD has its act together finally. And lets face it when I say that I am not saying that AMD's current execution is extraordinary.... if it were, can you imagine the shape Intel would be in. And I also do not believe Intel will turn around any time soon.....in that sense, I don't think tom's hardware's article was that far off the mark. Intel has become lazy and fat and arrogant, and finds AMD more a nuisance than a threat, and, I think, just wishes that they would go away. I don't think upper mgmt really wants to be hassling so much with the cpu division. So long as these attitudes prevail, I believe Intel will keep throwing price cuts and new chips at AMD hoping that they have impact and will not develop a well thought out plan for a true counter attack. JMHO. ted