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To: Elmer who wrote (99370)	2/17/2000 12:55:00 PM
From: Saturn V	Respond to of 186894

Elmer, You really think that the IDF presentation was real ! Get with reality ! Did you know that Intel hired Henry Houdini's ghost to don a face mask of Albert Yu, Andy Grove etc ? The entire thing was a sham of the first order! Smoke, mirrors, the whole works ! If you really believe that the IDF presentation was real, you must also believe that the Apollo Moon Landing happened ! This world is full of dumb and stupid suckers !

To: Elmer who wrote (99370)	2/17/2000 1:00:00 PM
From: Haim Barad	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

:) Haim

To: Elmer who wrote (99370)	2/17/2000 1:13:00 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Elmer,<<<If you have the time, go over and read the terror stricken posts on the AMD thread.>>> This is rather new for the AMD thread, but they have been doing this for several years on the Michael Burke thread. It's called cognitive dissonnance. FYI: <<< Theory of Cognitive Dissonance postulates that individuals, when presented with evidence contrary to their worldview or situations in which they must behave contrary to their worldview, experience "cognitive dissonance." Dissonance is defined here as an "unpleasant state of tension." Individuals will try to relieve this dissonance in one of two ways: 1.Increase the number of consistent cognitions - In order to assimilate inconsistent information to their worldview, individuals experiencing dissonance will increase the number of consistent cognitions, thereby abating the dissonance. This often involves rationalizing...i.e. myopic focus on facts, logic, or experience which reinforces an existing worldview. In most instances, the offending inconsistent cognitions are dismissed altogether as a result of this myopic focus on extant consistent cognitions. This is called "rationalizing" because the individual seeks out semi-logical conclusions using extant cognitions and newly created consistent cognitions in order to find a way to invalidate the inconsistent cognitions. The reader must understand that we are not talking about 2.Decrease the number of inconsistent cognitions - Individuals change their attitudes to compensate for inconsistent cognitions. Instead of rationalizing, the individual excises the inconsistent cognitions from their worldview. This is more consistent with mode 1 thinking. When presented with logic or facts inconsistent with their worldview, >>> Mary

To: Elmer who wrote (99370)	2/17/2000 1:24:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Elmer - Re: "go over and read the terror stricken posts on the AMD thread. In my several years on SI I have never seen this kind of panic. Otherwise sensible and sober contributors are so shell shocked at the realization of what a true 7th generation processor can do that they have lost all sensibility. The denials of the obvious, the finger pointing, the accusations of lies, the claims of Intel falsifying the facts, claims of active cooling, claims of "it's impossible" "That is incredibly slimy of them to try to create the impression of an air cooled 0.18u part running at 1.5 Ghz.", it goes on and on and on. " Been there. Done that. And the fun is only BEGINNING ! Paul

To: Elmer who wrote (99370)	2/17/2000 2:01:00 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Respond to of 186894

Elmer, "reality reset" hurts, doesn't it? Now let's see whether "reality reset" is also happening over at AMD. If Sledgehammer slips past late 2001, perhaps due to core redesigns, that would be prime evidence. Tenchusatsu

To: Elmer who wrote (99370)	2/17/2000 2:16:00 PM
From: dumbmoney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

The denials of the obvious, the finger pointing, the accusations of lies, the claims of Intel falsifying the facts, claims of active cooling, claims of "it's impossible" "That is incredibly slimy of them to try to create the impression of an air cooled 0.18u part running at 1.5 Ghz.", it goes on and on and on. SI has never seen the likes of this before. Oh, I think we have. Remember your crackpot reaction to the Athlon? All that talk about "foils"?

To: Elmer who wrote (99370)	2/17/2000 2:37:00 PM
From: Tony Viola	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Elmer, >If you have the time, go over and read the terror stricken posts on the AMD thread. In my several years on SI I have never seen this kind of panic. Otherwise sensible and sober contributors are so shell shocked at the realization of what a true 7th generation processor can do that they have lost all sensibility. The denials of the obvious, the finger pointing, the accusations of lies, the claims of Intel falsifying the facts, claims of active cooling, claims of "it's impossible" "That is incredibly slimy of them to try to create the impression of an air cooled 0.18u part running at 1.5 Ghz.", it goes on and on and on. What strikes me as almost funny is that the couple of Intel employees over there are always careful about what they comment on, saying 'not an expert in that area, but I'll ask some people', for example. But some of the AMDroids act like they're experts in everything, from CPU architecture, to transistor switching speed limits, etc., etc. And follow that Pied Piper! Man, if it sounds one iota not so good for Intel, THAT'S THE THREAD BYLINE FROM NOW ON! Humdaday humdaday, however that march beat goes. One reason I never invest in AMD (I know some of you make money in it from time to time) is that you never know when the 800 pound gorilla might get angry. Tony