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To: greenspirit who wrote (74584)	2/18/2000 8:46:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Ever since humans began living in social groups we have faced a basic problem. Honesty, trust, trustworthiness, courage, integrity, fairness and kindness are clearly desirable from the perspective of the group. However, individual expedience is often best served by precisely the opposite behaviour. Societies everywhere have resorted to the same mechanisms to induce the desired behaviour patterns: physical coercion (civil law) and the conjuring up of mystic boogeymen to provide hypothetical punishments and rewards (religion). Both are normal and reasonable responses to a problem common to all human groups, but I fail to see how either has anything to do with natural law.

To: greenspirit who wrote (74584)	2/19/2000 12:10:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Ah here is where you are wrong- some cultures admire lying. Some cultures find kindness "weak"- take the Spartans for example, and several more modern cultures as well. Your statement about "all cultures" is ludicrous and so your argument is ludicrous. Read "The Mountain People" and "The Forest People" by Colin Turnbull. It might, or might not, open your mind.