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To: epicure who wrote (74720)	2/20/2000 2:40:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

To be a the kind of relativist as you define is utopian. I can think of no one who is a true relativist using your definition. Nearly everyone has a belief in something, "I believe people shouldn't kill one another", is a belief. "I believe people shouldn't pollute the water, air, or cause a species to become extinct", is a belief. Whether they want to admit it, is another question. Believing that natural laws guide our inner conscience is not being an extremist or a zealot. Seems to me what you're searching for is more inclined toward "pragmatism" then relativism. But it's probably just a pathetic rambling from an unread extremist. Michael

To: epicure who wrote (74720)	2/21/2000 7:27:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Yes, X, I have read a great deal of Marx. I did not say that it does not matter what they believed. But it is fruitless to argue over whether or not they lost sight of the implications of their relativism. You assert that they did because they did not behave the way that you think relativists should. I say that that does not prove that that they were not relativists, because relativism does not necessarily entail tolerance. I can be a relativist, understanding that there is no ultimate ground for my preferences, and yet impose them because they are my preferences, and the way I would like the world to be. Thus, it was useless to continue the "yes they did, no they didn't" phase of the argument.......