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To: Ish who wrote (74752)	2/20/2000 8:11:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

You are right about the billions, and thanks for the correction. I've been looking at the capitalization of Intel, Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, etc; so long that I hardly notice the 10 to sixth figures any more. Just put it down to ignorance, I don't smoke anything anymore. Of course, the total number killed in the Shoah and the rest of the war is disputed. There is now a trial in London where an American Professor of Religion at Emory University is being sued by an English revisionist historian for libel. No one in his right mind would assert any particular figure to represent the deaths from the Holocaust or from War and the Soviet horrors. I recommend against the web if you have any kind of life at all to live. I don't hold with many of the Jewish experts that Holocaust was a unique event in history. I can find stories in the Bible that are just about as horrible and are tales Jews tell about other Jews wiping entire nations. I can find stories in the Casa de los Indies , or in Helen Hunt, or Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, or Andersonville. There is no shortage of horror, and I don't think the exact number of victims is knowable. Everyone should agree that it is too many, and that we should try to find a way to number and identify them, honor them, and never, never forget them. I sometimes get enough courage to walk the wall in Washington under the shadow of the Lincoln Memorial in the late shadows of a summer afternoon. My fingers seek out the same old names and caress them. Then I walk across to see the doggies walking up through the mists of Korea. Lousy statues. (The nurses in Vietnam are great!). Then I walk up and look Lincoln's effigy in the face and read those walls. "With malice toward none!" Someday I'll have the guts to visit the Holocaust museums. I'll probably die before the Slavery Memorial is completed. I don't think I'd ever have the courage to go through that one.

To: Ish who wrote (74752)	2/20/2000 8:27:00 PM
From: James R. Barrett	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Ish, 6 million is small potatoes. The Nazi's slaughtered over 20 million Russians but the Jews don't want to hear about that. The Nazis also killed more Poles than Jews but no one wants to hear about that either. I wonder why the Russians and Poles don't have their own Holocaust club.

To: Ish who wrote (74752)	2/20/2000 8:36:00 PM
From: iandiareii	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

What I want to say is I wonder about the 6 million figure. It's this revisionist idea in history. After WWII the figure was around 1 million killed by the Nazis. Worked up and sat at 1.5 million for a long time. Lately it's jumped to 2, 3, 4, 5 and now 6 million. It seems, and in not only this, that everyone takes a figure and hedges it a bit and it becomes a new standard. I'm younger than you, so my study of history sometimes must take text books for your eye witness. Still, I don't think you were around during WWII -- do you have a guess as to the exact number executed by the Nazi regime? You say estimates have jumped "lately," but that's a relative term and I have heard six million my whole life, counting only Jews. I expect the historical record to become more, not less, accurate as we proceed; you imply the opposite. I realize you weren't there to count the Nazi dead, you're only claiming that the estimates have increased. But most advocates for a lower figure, I've noticed, seem not to be historians, but (at best) quasi-facist ideologues. That's not you. So, if the estimates have jumped, how did that happen? Why did that happen?