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To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 11:13:00 AM
From: techguerrilla	Respond to of 35685

Well-stated philosophy, Jill Please help Poet keep these guys in line today. Man is the weather beautiful here in Chicago! Time to hit the road and find some DRY POWDER. Next stop? "Jillionaire!" ;-) :-) John

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 1:10:00 PM
From: Clappy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 35685

Jill and Poet, Does the book called "Leaps", that is mentioned on your thread, contain information covering all types of options trading? Do you have any links that help explain when to buy leaps? Are there other books you suggest? I've already read the beginner stuff so only half of the discussion on your thread flies over my head. :^) You ladies certainly know your stuff. I figured I'd ask the best... I'm not asking you to type out a lesson for me. Just point me the way... Thanks. -ClapOnClapOff

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 1:11:00 PM
From: Poet	Respond to of 35685

Well Jilly, you've done it again: taken a long long look at a difficult subject and written a beautiful, well-informed piece -- with which I agree completely. Life is too short,too glorious, and too unknowable, to be filled up with judgement.

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 1:19:00 PM
From: Voltaire	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35685

Hey beauitful, beautiful, Voltaire P.S -I want to respond but my head is spinning as the machine guns fire in my head. I will think as I ride to pick up another ton of dirt to put out. My doctors said take it easy, I told them for me, that is taking it easy. Again, beautiful.

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 1:46:00 PM
From: No Mo Mo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 35685

Jill- Thanks for the breathtaking perspective. I remember seeing an animated short movie when I was in maybe 5th grade. It started with something like an image of a child. Slowly, the perspective pulled back to show the child in a room...then the roof of a house...then the house on a street...then a neighborhood...a town grid...countryside...topography...weather patterns...Earth...our solar system...more stars and systems...our galaxy...many galaxies........ Then the perspective zoomed back through all those images to the child...down to his arm...to a mosQuito...to its stinger penetrating the skin...to a capillary...to the flow of blood cells...inside a cell...to mitochondria...to molecules...to atoms........and back... We know a lot but I suspect we understand very little. Thanks again. -Darin

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 2:39:00 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35685

human beings as the endpoint of the entire meaning and existence of the universe? There is a perspective that humans are a primitive but crucial link in the evolution of intelligence from natural selection to self directed. myths of southern and northern women While cultural differences certainly exist, they frequently pale beside individual variations. That variety (both cultural and individual) to a male can be most enticing and should be celebrated. lurking... lurqer (who "grew up" on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line and the Mississippi)

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 4:05:00 PM
From: mtnlady	Respond to of 35685

Forgive me for getting in 'late' on this discussion! Girls are off to there best friends house so finally have a moment to get caught up. "Is there a God? Does It have rules? What are those rules? If there is a God, did It choose human beings as the endpoint of the entire meaning and existence of the universe?" I too used to ponder these questions for hours on end when I was in my late teens. In someways I think I was a deeper 'thinker' then than I am now! Here is what I believe I have learned/believe through my 41 years of life. 1. "Is there a God?" Absolutely yes. 2. Does 'it' have rules. Well God is not an 'it' God is a spiritual being of pure agape love that, according to Scripture, embodies both 'male' and 'female' qualities. Our English fails us greatly here so we tend to call God "Father".. which is good enough for me right now. Sense we are all remote deciscends of God - and so is creation - in a sense He is our spiritual Father. 3. "What are those rules?" Yes.. God has rules. Lol! I getting sick and tired of what other people told me was a sin and not a sin and deciding to find out for myself what 'sin' was and was not to God. So I spent several months researching this in the Bible (I didn't research other books such as Koran etc.. but I would imagine they are the same) and this is what I found to be God's own definition of 'His' rules. As in any good court of law I will let God 'speak' for 'himself' rather than speak for Him. This passage was from when Jesus was asked the same question. I.E. What is God's primary or #1 rule we are supposed to follow? "Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang (depend upon) on these two commandments." 4. Are "human beings ... the endpoint of the entire meaning and existence of the universe?" I don't know. Scripture says that human beings have an important role to play in the universe but it also implies in Revelations that other beings.. both spiritual and ? also have key roles. As far as nature goes mankind was merly to be the 'steward' or caretaker of God's 'garden'. Mankind was never supposed to wreck it or abuse it. 6. "why does this God allow ..." I don't know. I do know that mankind gave away many of our rights and priveldges to what Scipture calls Satan eons ago (i.e. 'the great fall'). In short Satan made promises to mankind if we were to follow him rather than God. Mankind, being selfish, shortsighted animals that we are, and God letting us each choose are own path... well the rest is 'history' as they say. According to Scripture earthly control was turned over to 'another force' at that point in time. Scripture says that "all of creation groans" under this predicament that will not be changed until Christ comes again.. But this time to judge the world and to regain 'territorial rights' if you will. 7. ""Thy will be done." Amen. God also taught us to ask for what we need "in accordance to His will" (see above remark on Love for summary of God's will!). I also like to pray as Paul seemed to pray alot. That being to GIVE THANKS! These three things comprise my prayers. Giving thanks, listing specific concerns my family, I, others have and then ask that they be done in accordance with God's will. Then I give thanks again.

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 7:36:00 PM
From: Percival 917	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35685

Hi Jill Beautiful post!! What can I say?? I am speechless, which for me is no easy task.<gg> Joel

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 8:06:00 PM
From: Dealer	Respond to of 35685

Jill; Interesting concept; mixing genes; Nature, birch trees and such, can't get my copy and paste to work! darn. Never had anyone point this out.........wondering why. Southern and Northern women:.........anything I discuss on this board is usually in jest. Would love to see some of the proud Northern women come back at us....only put out for............light humor. Hope we can continue to make fun of ourselves. Relieves the stress. Maybe when we learn Voltaires concept we won't have stress or the need to laugh at ourselves. We'll see. God Rules: Ain't taking any chances....will personally try to follow as I have been brought up to do so. I Fail all the time. Can't believe how many times God's forgiven me. Unbelieveable!!!!!! Always has and Always will. Judgement: No way not up to me. That's God's job and I'm quiet confident he is not in need of my help. Thanks for your posts, your cyber friend dealer

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 8:47:00 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35685

jill- nice sunday sermon. good writing too. i came to the porch today to listen to the perfesser, got distracted with PMs and other computer work and haven't even read volty yet. your post was nothing new - no great revelations... i already knew you had that kind of wisdom and vision just from your non-sunday posts. i've studied scores of religions and philosophies and if you look past the literal and the dogmatic they're all the same. probably my favorite is that of native americans because there's so little scripture and verbiage to get in the way of the EXPERIENCE of the spiritual. the thinking mind is a real road block when it comes to communicating with God. i had to work yesterday and one of the tv shoots i did was a kickoff for census 2000. there was a native american drumming group there with males and females from as far north as canada and as far south as southern arizona. they started the ceremonies with a sacred drum circle chant (blessing). after the politico's speeches were over i was packing up my gear to head for the next location when one of the Indians came over to thank me for coming. i said, "NO! Thank YOU dude. what you did was beautiful. i didn't understand a word of the chant but it gave me chills." he smiled and said, "then you understood perfectly my brother." i smiled and gave him a thumb's up. <polvie looks over at jill knowingly... smiles and gives her a thumbs up> -polvie (i'm off to read the porch)

To: Jill who wrote (5302)	2/27/2000 11:18:00 PM
From: Lucky Joey	Respond to of 35685

<<Is there a God? Does It have rules? What are those rules? If there is a God, did It choose human beings as the endpoint of the entire meaning and existence of the universe? >> Check the following site, you may find the answer: falundafa.com Here is a short section: We see that in this universe a human life is not created in ordinary human society; the creation of one?s actual life is in the space of the universe. Because there is a lot of matter of various kinds in this universe, such matter can, through its interactions, produce life. In other words, a person?s earliest life comes from the universe. The space of the universe is benevolent to begin with and embodies the characteristic of Zhen-Shan-Ren. At birth, one is assimilated to the characteristic of the universe. Yet, as the number of lives increases, a collective form of social relations develops in which some people may develop selfishness and gradually their level will be lowered. If they cannot stay at this level, they must drop down further. At that level, however, they may again become not so good and not be able to stay there, either. They will continue to descend further until, in the end, they reach this level of human beings. The entire human society is on the same level. From the perspective of supernormal capabilities or of the great enlightened beings, these lives should have been destroyed upon falling to this level. Out of their benevolent compassion, however, the great enlightened beings gave them one more chance and constructed this special environment and unique dimension. All of the lives in this dimension are different from those in other dimensions of the universe. The lives in this dimension cannot see the lives in other dimensions or the truth of the universe. Thus, these human beings are actually lost in a maze. In order to cure illness or eliminate tribulations and karma, these people must practice cultivation and return to their original, true selves. This is how all the different cultivation schools view it. One should return to one?s original, true self; this is the real purpose of being human. Therefore, once a person wants to practice cultivation, his or her Buddha-nature is considered to have come forth. Such a thought is most precious, for this person wants to return to his or her original, true self and transcend the ordinary human level. Perhaps, everyone has heard this statement in Buddhism: "When one?s Buddha-nature emerges, it will shake ?the world of ten directions.?"4 Whoever sees it will come to give a hand and help this person out unconditionally. In providing salvation to humankind, the Buddha School does not attach any condition or seek returns, and it will help unconditionally.