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To: The Phoenix who wrote (41561)	3/9/2000 11:40:00 AM
From: Michael Bonnette	Respond to of 45548

Of course you're right again. We all know that you are 'da man. Keep up the good work! - Mike

To: The Phoenix who wrote (41561)	3/9/2000 11:58:00 AM
From: Joe S Pack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 45548

Gary, ???? Are you suggesting that my spin and Microsoft's product announcements are similar? If I recall my comments back then were something along the lines that I believed that Microsoft hadn't given up on this space and that they would bring an improved product to market. That's not spin - that's an educated opinion on what I believed would happen. It would appear that I'm once again correct. Now, there's a leak about an upcoming announcement from Microsoft - is it spin? Is it vaporware? Do you really believe that? I don't because I am living in this world and Microsoft has never launched vaporware. Yes W2K was very late but a scaled down CE is trivial in comparison to W2K. Do you know what W2K had in it? Do you know the challenges that MSFT had? if not you have no right to speak to it. Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending Mr. Softy but I am realistic. Ok let us talk about W2K. Any person with a right mind won't touch that shit for couple of years if he/she wants to have a stable environment. Do you know that monster has added nearly 27M LOCs on top of buggy NT4.0's 13M LOCs? Do you know how may hidden bugs are there despite what ever testing method they employed? Do you know there is a fundamental design flaw in that system? Just because adding features deos n't mean you get a reliable product. Have you ever coded more than 1000 lines of code? Do you know what is meant by MTTF, MTBF, or software reliablity? Have you ever tested any software system that has thousands of if not millions of lines of code? I hope you understand what I mean? Been there, done that, and written about it. But that let us not distract from the main point: use PR spins to promote vapourware when competitors cannot answer due to quiet period. You promise something and don't deliver even after couple of mishaps is called Vaporware. And MSFT is good at that. Is W2K not a good example? -Nat

To: The Phoenix who wrote (41561)	3/9/2000 12:19:00 PM
From: geekland	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 45548

Gary, SURELY YOU JEST! It's obvious from your posts that you do not work in the computer industry. Microsoft reigns supreme when it comes to VAPORWARE! They have always pre-announced products in an attempt to forestall consumers' purchases of already available software. Because they carry such weight in the industry, such a strategy of F.U.D. (fear, uncertainty & doubt) has worked in their favor time and time again. In fact, the very TERM F.U.D. was coined and came into widespread usage because of such devious MSFT deeds. BTW, did you catch the tone of desperation in MSFT's Pocket PC announcement at the recent CEBIT show in Germany? They felt a need to explicitly state that "we will ship in June and this is one deadline that we won't miss!". Uh-huh... so we'll all stand still and wait for yet another attempt at something useable since the WinCE product was certainly NOT!!! "Freedom to innovate." HAH! MSFT has never innovated ANYTHING! In this industry they're notorious for buying, copying, reverse-engineering, appropriating... ANYTHING BUT innovating. Study the history of the computer industry before you compose such ludicrous posts.