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To: The Phoenix who wrote (41627)	3/10/2000 12:55:00 PM
From: Joe S Pack	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 45548

Gary, MSFT's dominance is based on one simple fact: Leverage OS to bundle unwanted stuff to mass market. When it comes to net, that is not going to be the case. It is going to be server, services and appliance centric. On the server side it will take another few years for Windoz to match current SUN's servers in terms of scaleability and reliability. When it comes to appliances side there are going to be challenges which MSFT have never faced before. From SONY, PALM, NOKIA, GE, AOL and IBM to so many smaller players. Regarding Software developers for CE, there are already 30,000 developers for PALM and there are already 100s of cute applications that people love. You know one thing? In university campuses, where lot of creativity flourish, it is becoming a fashion to have a PALM and develop their own application. That alone will seal the fat of PocketPCs. Another fundamental problem is political. When PC era started no body cared about MSFT. Now the whole world knows about their ambition, business tactics and slimmy practices. That's why Java platform took off like a wild fire. That's why people want to PALM. That's why Nokia wants to use PALM OS front end. Wait for the quite period to be over and you will see what you haven't seen before. That's why SONY has a killer Playstation product. That's why AOL is thriving on the internet. That's why DOJ is on their back. You predicted three years for PALM's demise and < $10 price target (without a time limit). We will see. Even on the W2K 's directory side, where 80% of the effort went as per your inside knowlegde, Novell has a far more superior product than MSFT's. And now they are doing a catche up role. Regarding vapourware discussion: I raised two points: 1) vapourware and 2) Use the quite period to pull some more PR spin. I gave my definition of vapourware. Immediatley you jumped in as though MSFT never had a vapourware and then started jumping out of the main point and started claiming knwowing a lot about W2K. I gave my definition of vapourware and I even asked you to define what is vapour ware. You never answered. You also have the nack of generalizing things from specific point. I never said the whole CE is vapourware. Some of the promises and some of the releases are. To support this assertion I and couple more fellow threaders threw a couple of examples. They even quoted a couple of the exact wording to from their press statement. All those things went no where. Now you are coming full circle and started saying that I went out of the main point. The whole thread knows who jumps and twists. Why don't we come back on this after three years? -Nat