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To: Neocon who wrote (75861)3/21/2000 12:40:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
When the Irish refer to themselves, they ordinarily mean persons of Gaelic descent and Catholic religion.

Who says? I've never heard an Irishman say that Beckett, for example, was "not Irish" because he was a Protestant!

As for the Gaelic descent, I submit that the majority of Ireland's literary stars are/have been of primarily Gaelic descent. Even when the "founder" of the family was English, or Scotch, subsequent generations intermarried with the "natives." And let's not forget my example of the Bosnian Muslims (by origin 100% Serb).

Go through the family trees of the major Irish writers, and check it out. No way are you going to be able to prove that "most of their literary stars are not Irish." (Swift is not a good example, because few Irish in his day even knew how to read and write!)

Joan




To: Neocon who wrote (75861)3/21/2000 5:45:00 PM
From: nihil  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
When bigoted Irish refer to themselves they are usually full of prunes. The Irish are the result of waves of immigration. I don't think man had an independent birth on the emerald isle. Scots, Britons, Saxons, Norse, Danes, Bretons, Spanish, Cymrians, and many others have poured into Ireland and mixed with those who came earlier. It will be delightful to discover which Irish have a "Protestant" gene. The Irish are amazingly capable of rising above religious differences which every Englishman from Henry VIII have attempted to accentuate. "Irish" certainly has little traditional connection with Roman Catholicism. The Irish church started RC, became naturalized, then the "Celtic Rite" was overthrown again. Many of the strongest Irish revolutionaries were Protestant and proud of it.