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To: jbe who wrote (75864)3/21/2000 4:18:00 PM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 108807
 
That is why I yielded to you, although the onus is, in fact, debatable.....If I find more energy for the topic, perhaps I will pursue it, but I am not sure where I would get geneological data or demographic data relevant to the discussion.......



To: jbe who wrote (75864)3/21/2000 4:27:00 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 108807
 
This might help....After looking around, nowhere have I seen any mention of conversion or intermarriage, by the way. Had it been significant, wouldn't it have been mentioned?

edweb.camcnty.gov.uk

The Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland in the 18th century was the domination of Ireland by Protestant Episcopalians who made up only 10% of the population.

After the American Revolution there was agitation in Ireland for greater powers being made available to the Irish parliament. In this period, when the British government was threatened by war with France and it needed Irish Catholic support, there were attempts to conciliate Catholic opinion. Catholics were admitted to civil offices that had previously been banned.

At the time of the French Revolution a temporary alliance between an intellectual elite of Protestant Presbyterians and Catholics resulted in the United Irishmen societies, led by Wolfe Tone. This group became known for their radical political discontent and with some help from France were involved in notable rebellions against the British. The result was that William Pitt, Prime Minister, amalgamated the British and Irish parliaments joining the kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland into a new political formula: The United Kingdom.

Socio-economic notes:
i) Although in the 16th century Gaelic civilisation was destroyed in the upper classes of Irish society it was preserved for the next two centuries among the ordinary people of the Northwest, west and Southwest, who continued to speak Gaelic and who maintained a way of life remote from the ruling classes.

ii) In a land of great estates, most small Irish towns were in a state of decay in part because of the British restrictions of trade.

iii) In 1795 The Orange Order was established in defence of the Protestant Ascendancy. It fought for the privileges of Protestants and tended to exclude Catholics from breaking into the privileged ring of Protestant gentry and farmers.

Apart from folklore, little is known of the lives of ordinary people.



To: jbe who wrote (75864)3/21/2000 5:06:00 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
For example, this is prominent in the article on Bosnia- Herzegovina (after conquest) in the Britannica:

britannica.com

In one crucial way, however, Bosnia differed from the other Balkan lands (except, later, Albania): a large part of the native population converted to Islam. This was a gradual development; it took more than a hundred years for Muslims to become an absolute majority. There was no mass conversion at the outset, and no mass emigration of Muslims from Turkey. The fundamental reason for the growth of such a large Muslim population in Bosnia may lie in the earlier religious history of the Bosnian state. Whereas neighbouring Serbia had benefited from a strong, territorially organized national church, Bosnia had seen competition in most areas between the Bosnian church and the Roman Catholic church, both of which operated only out of monastic houses. In Herzegovina a third church, the Serbian Orthodox, had also competed. Christianity was thus structurally weaker in Bosnia than in almost any other part of the Balkans. The motives that inclined Bosnians to adopt Islam were partly economic: the prosperous cities of Sarajevo and Mostar were mainly Muslim, and it was not possible to lead a full civic life there without converting to Islam. Other motives included the privileged legal status enjoyed by Muslims and, possibly, a desire to avoid the harac, though Muslims were subject, unlike Christians, both to the alms tax and to the duties of general military service. But the traditional belief that Bosnian noblemen converted en masse to Islam in order to keep their estates has been largely disproved by modern historians.