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To: Joe NYC who wrote (100682)	3/29/2000 3:32:00 AM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576864

Joe - Re: "Are you suggesting that is incapable of releasing 133 MHz BX equivalent? Tiny Via did it." Are you saying VIA's 133 MHz Chip Set is equivalent to a 440BX chip set overclocked to 133 MHz? Didn't the Uberclockermeister - and every one else who has tested CPUs with VIA's chip sets - determine that the VIA chip set is significantly SLOWER than an equivalently "overclocked" 440 BX chip set? Paul

To: Joe NYC who wrote (100682)	3/29/2000 3:36:00 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576864

Jozef, <The 440BX was overclocked, but it is only because Intel chose not to release a version of BX that supports 133 MHz FSB / memory. Are you suggesting that is incapable of releasing 133 MHz BX equivalent? Tiny Via did it.> I'm sure Intel could have released a 440BX proliferation that runs at 133 MHz, but it wouldn't have performed as well as Tom's overclocked 440BX. It probably would have performed on par or at least a little better than Via's Apollo Pro 133A. But I guess with the 815 Solano on its way, and Intel wanting to reuse HubLink and the ICH south bridge, they'll want to retire the 440BX. <As far as SDRAM running out of spec, you are right, running with CAS-2 is out of spec of most PC-133 RAM out there> I don't think it's just that. I don't think even "official" CAS-2 PC133 would have run stably on an overclocked 440BX. There's more to it than just CAS latency. <Are you saying that Intel employees are not capable of overclocking a system? The key is good memory, if you want CAS-2. BX chip can get hot, but you can replace heatsink with a heatsink with fan attached to bring the temperature down to normal.> The coworkers I talked to know how to overclock. Heck, overclocking is a great way to measure performance and stability characteristics, so those guys would know even more than Tom Uberclockermeister. And like I said before, those guys did not have as much success overclocking 440BX as Tom claims to have achieved. For example, they had to go through several DIMMs before they found one that can run well on the system. (I'm pretty sure they know about CAS ratings and all that.) Perhaps my coworkers' standard of stability is much higher than that of Tom's. I'm sure Tom doesn't mind a system crash once per week, but that would be unacceptable to Intel. A lot of what I'm saying, however, is based on the trust I place in my coworkers, and on my company as a whole. Yes, I know it's possible that Intel originally wanted to kill off PC133, which is why they didn't release an official 133 MHz version of 440BX. But it's not as simple as Tom makes it look. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Tenchusatsu