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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (77478)	4/10/2000 3:21:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<<Caring is merely a word- a human word- to denote a series of behaviors.>> There is something within you that motivates these behaviors and that thing is labeled by the human word "Caring." Although you can observe the behaviors ou can not prove that they represent caring and often times we find out they do represent something else, even a mask for betrayal in some instances. Can you prove that caring is made of genetic or other material? No, but there is strong evidence that it exists. There is not strong evidence that "it" exists- "it" (caring) is just a word that covers a lot of behaviors. You have to go behavior by behavior and decide 1. if the behavior exists and 2.does it represent what you want to call caring- and even if you've done that, what does it matter? When you've merely established the meaning of a word? You haven't established the intrinsic cause or source for the behavior, that gives you the meaning of your word. backwards; the behaviors give evidence to the the existence of the "caring" completely disagree, the behaviors require a label, which we make up- i.e. caring- it's a simple function of naming, not of source nature that exists in the human. The additional evidence is the "self evident" awareness that we each have.What self-evident awareness? How do you KNOW we each have it? I've certainly seen no evidence that everyone is aware, or "self evidently aware" Taking measurements or observations on behaviors or material substance has little and possibly nothing to do with it. Yet, to many of us the proof is absolutely convincing. What proof? And FOR what? This post is a mish mash.

To: one_less who wrote (77478)	4/10/2000 4:57:00 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I hope you don't mind if I take a run at this: the materialistic view is that the universe is composed of matter in motion, which incidentally configures into larger objects through chance, without design. Thus, human beings are just one more piece of the kaleidescope, with no more significance than a rock or cockroach. However, we have the experience of self- awareness, the sense of a unifying identity, and the experience of caring and attributing significance to ourselves and others, and to the events which transpire before us. That experience is immediate and compelling, while materialism is a mere theory of the composition of things, and it tells us that materialism is false, that there is something more than "atoms and the void", as the Epicureans used to say. We believe in God because the kind of universe we live in has a place for meaningful identity and inherent values, rather than being a meaningless and transient configuration.........