SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Strategies & Market Trends : Options -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Jill who wrote (6372)4/12/2000 6:42:00 PM
From: RocketMan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8096
 
Hey, Jill and Poet, if we can declare bankruptcy and go down to the Caribbean, I say let's do it!! And I think I can get enough by closing my puts to buy us a round of Margaritas <g>



To: Jill who wrote (6372)4/12/2000 7:52:00 PM
From: Jill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8096
 
From Thompson I Watch:

* Several factors are motivating investors to "cash in their chips" and
take profits on these stocks' impressive run. Concerns regarding
valuation, potential earnings/revenue disappointments, and worries
regarding the red-hot economy have encouraged participants to
consolidate their positions. The initial sell-off then prompted more
selling, shaking out the "weaker" investors, and setting us up for a
potentially vicious cycle. Additionally, a few strategists have
speculated that some investors are in need of cash in preparation of
"tax day." Market watchers will be looking closely at tomorrow's open
for signs of a bottom. The last two days of the week add key economic
data to the mix. The Producer Price Index (PPI) report will be released
at 8:30 AM tomorrow, which could add more turbulence to the market.



To: Jill who wrote (6372)4/13/2000 1:57:00 AM
From: PAL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8096
 
Hi Poet and Jill:

More on margin call: don't feel bad. Even the very experienced people have to face this problem. To lessen the pain, consider using the Minimax approach.

Remember the margin formula for selling puts: there are three components

25% of the underlying stock (a) + premium (b) - OTM (c)

For simplicity consider the case that option is now ITM. so that you are left with 2 components: (a) and (b).

If you have 4 contracts then you have 4 X ( a + b ) = 4a + 4b margin requirements.

Look at all the option premium further down the month and even at higher strike price (including LEAP), you find a premium which has the value c where c is = 4b.

What do you do? Close your original 4 contracts, which releases margin requirement of 4a + 4b, and sell 1 put option which has the premium c. Remember c = 4b, which means that you use the proceeds of c to buy back 4b. Since you only have one contract, then the margin requirement is

1 x (a + c) = a + c. The difference with previous margin requirement is (4a + 4b) - (a + c) = 3a, which is 3 times 25% of the underlying stock price. (remember 4b = c).

Check all the alternatives above, you don't have to have a ratio of 4:1, could be 3:1 or 5:1, and consider the consequences (strike price and expriration). Then use Minimax approach to choose the best suited for you.

Why does this approach work? Simply because short put margin requirement formula is the same whether it is 5 points ITM or 50 points ITM.
___________________________________________________________

You refine further by choosing a replacement option which is OTM.
___________________________________________________________

Poet: did you repair you QCOM 140 CC with QCOM 160 CC when you wanted to keep your QCOM shares. If you did, it seems you might get your wish of hanging on the stock.
___________________________________________________________

To all newbies: The sell side of option is not for everyone, and if you want to undertake this strategy, make sure that you are not extended, have the capacity to be assigned and know all the repair methods, which incidently not necessarily discussed in books about options.

Good Luck and have Chi Chi on me.

Paul



To: Jill who wrote (6372)4/13/2000 10:05:00 AM
From: SecularBull  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8096
 
I think that we were just seeing some margin call selling this morning. Bought BRCM at $141 on the dip.

LoF