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To: Chip McVickar who wrote (1059)4/14/2000 6:01:00 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 33421
 
Personally, I think that Greenspan's mistake was adding all of the liquidity last year without understanding that the Y2K thing was a non-event. (and yes, I was posting my views on Y2K a year ago and I am in the tech industry). The market got addicted to the liquidity and now we get to go through withdrawals.

But then again, I think that monkeying around with the free market will always end in tears.



To: Chip McVickar who wrote (1059)4/14/2000 6:05:00 PM
From: Logain Ablar  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 33421
 
Chip:

Economic impacts from weeks like this usually take a while to reverberate through the economy so George will still have an uphill battle.

We'll just have to see if mutual fund redemptions start on Monday or not. Too many people have been trained to hold long term. The stock boards are not a true representative of J6P.

I agree with your assessment the odds just increased on the market seeing some major retrenchments but hopefully we'll have a bounce for a week or two (geeze I was hoping for a week or two bounce after last Tuesday).

Tim



To: Chip McVickar who wrote (1059)4/14/2000 6:37:00 PM
From: Jack of All Trades  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 33421
 
Chip,

There is just to much insider selling going on, that is it. Look at MSFT, Paul Allen filed to sell 52M shares since Jan... Also all the IPO's and Merger are coming off lockup... There is to much selling and no buying because everybody is in the market... You know buy and hold right? When the bullish % and margin debt is at historic levels you know something bad is going to happen. I don't expect any hard rallies like in the past year. All the so called daytraders (the buy the dip and hold overnight kind) are wipped out.

The question is are the funds liquidating here, or are they next???

There goes the US budget surplus I'm afraid...

Jeff



To: Chip McVickar who wrote (1059)4/16/2000 5:29:00 PM
From: John Pitera  Respond to of 33421
 
Chip "the Big Bear" McVickar -g-

I am interested in global capital flows and things revolve
around what the the Central Banks and Fed does ultimately.

The FED has aggressively reduced the rate of increases in
the monetary aggregates. They are not negative but they
are expanding at a decelerating rate.

The world is much better able to deal with this than at any
time in the past 3 years.

In 1997 and 1998 the Fed had to reinflate the
ecomony as Japan was in the middle of a depression.
All the asian rim markets crashed in 1997 and those
countries were in a depression, S Korea had a 25% decline
in cement manufacture in 1998, Maylasia had a 28% decline
in Pulp output.

South american countries wer facing default, and europe was
weak. Russia had collapsed, China was weak. So the FED had
to print create money like crazy.

We would never have had the run-up to NASD 5000K, we would still back at 3200 if it was not for Y2K.

It keep the fed injecting money into the economy to
act as a safeguard. I predict that in the future, several
will say here is the real Y2K fall-out. what we have just seen in our stockmarket this past month.

John

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From the Feb 1999 NYTimes series about the Global Contagion
of 1997-98.

Herds Pick Up a Scent
Treasury opposed the first Japanese fund in part because it-along with everybody else, including investors, scholars and journalists
ú thought that the storm over Asia would probably pass. Yet something fundamental had changed. Perceptions of risk had altered,
and people began to get nervous about holding any Asian currency.
The anxieties became self-fulfilling, particularly as Thailand's economy began to self-destruct. Speculators, stock investors and local
businessmen alike wanted the safety of dollars, and during the fall of 1997 currencies fell in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan
and South Korea.

Since many Asian countries had problems with heavily indebted corporations, inflated stock and property prices, overvalued currencies,
and bad loans, it was easy to find similarities to Thailand once people began to look. Just as Western capital had flooded into emerging
markets as a group in the early and mid-1990s, now it began to ebb.
Take Barton Biggs, the strategist at Morgan Stanley, who, a few years earlier, had helped ignite the Asian investment boom. As Thailand
began to fall apart in the fall of 1997, he made another trip to Bangkok, and this time his advice was grim.
"I really went with the idea that Asia was sold out and bombed out and that there must be some attractive values," he said in a
teleconference with investors on Oct. 27, 1997, recorded by Bloomberg. "And I've got to say that I was disappointed."
Biggs told investors to sell all their holdings in markets like Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaysia, and to cut by one-third their investments
in emerging markets like Thailand and Indonesia.

No Banks in Casualty Ward
he dominoes began to fall. In late October 1997, right after Biggs' announcement and partly because of it, the Hong Kong stock
market plunged 23 percent over four days. The debacle in Hong Kong suddenly caught Wall Street's attention, and in New York
on Oct. 27, the Dow Jones Industrial Average tumbled 554 points, its biggest one-day point loss in history.
"That changed everyone's calculations," recalled Stanley Fischer, the fund's deputy chief.
Suddenly, contagion was the buzzword, and
there were regular meetings on the crisis in the Situation Room at the White House. Yet while White House officials pondered what to
do, investors were busy selling. Anything that seemed to hint of emerging markets was dumped, and stock markets in Brazil, Argentina
and Mexico also suffered their worst one-day losses ever.

Mrs. Paoni's money in the Illinois pension fund joined the rush to the exits. Records show that the fund managers sold Indonesian stocks
that had cost them $3.3 million, Malaysian stocks that had cost $1.9 million, Philippine stocks that had cost $1.5 million, South Korean
stocks that had cost $1.1 million, and Thai stocks that had cost $2.2 million. Across the world, everybody was doing the same.
Soon Indonesia was forced to accept a $17-billion bailout, later raised to $23 billion, to which the United States
agreed to contribute-an implicit admission that it had made the wrong call with Thailand. Pressure grew on South
Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brazil, Russia and other countries. Everybody seemed alarmed except Clinton, who in
November 1997 tried to sound reassuring.

"We have a few little glitches in the road here," he said. "We're working through them."
Clinton was perhaps listening too closely to the State Department, for American diplomats in Bangkok were sending
out rosy cables, and their counterparts in South Korea were similarly oblivious to the Korean economy's
disintegration, which was then well under way. In Washington, Rubin and Summers had a far clearer sense of what
was happening in South Korea, and were openly disparaging of the diplomatic reports from the field.
The State Department missed its cues because, historically, it had focused on the threats from Communists who carry
grenades, not on the threats from business executives who wear neckties and trade currencies. The same was true of
the Central Intelligence Agency, which proved itself, in the words of one of its top officials, "completely unprepared to
deal with questions of an economic nature."
Yet by Thanksgiving Day 1997, it was clear to all top officials in Washington that South Korea was on the brink of an economic
catastrophe. After five hours of conference calls among top American officials, Clinton telephoned President Kim Young-sam of South
Korea and told him he had no choice but to accept an international bailout.
Kim bowed to the inevitable and accepted a bailout that swelled to $57 billion, the biggest ever. But with that money now flowing into
South Korea, Western banks saw a chance to take it and run.
The banks called in their loans, hoping to flee while they could.
Rubin quietly called the heads of major banks and urged them to reschedule their loans, and in the end they did.
But the bailout still ended up bolstering Western banks. South Koreans lost their businesses and in some cases were even driven to
suicide. But foreign banks-among them Citibank, J.P. Morgan, Chase Manhattan, BankAmerica and Bankers Trust-were rewarded
with sharply higher interest rates (2 to 3 percentage points higher than the London interbank rate) and a government guarantee that
passed the risk of default from their shareholders to Korean taxpayers. The banks say that this was only fair, because they were
extending their loans up to three years and thus assuming an extra burden.
Yet in contrast to previous financial crises, which were resolved by banks' effectively paying a good share of the bill, this was a huge
bailout with public funds, and the banks did not chip in major new money.
Rubin defends the bailouts, saying that he "wouldn't spend a nickel" to bail out banks or investors, but that
helping the country often means ensuring that it can pay off its creditors.
But critics note that the some of the biggest beneficiaries are the banks. "The effort is hurting the countries they
are lending to, and benefiting the foreigners who lent to them,"
argued Milton Friedman, the Stanford University
economist and Nobel Prize winner. Friedman argues that the monetary fund does more harm than good and is
bitterly critical of these bailouts.
"The United States does give foreign aid," he said. "But this is a different kind of foreign aid. It only goes
through countries like Thailand to Bankers Trust."
Smart Set, Foolish Choices
ith the collapse of South Korea, investors rushed from any sign of risk. At Morgan Stanley, Biggs had
bought emerging markets early in 1997 for his own portfolio, but now he sold frantically. Records at
the Securities and Exchange Commission show that in December 1997 he sold $56,000 worth of his own
company's Malaysian Fund, $650,000 worth of Emerging Markets Fund, $80,000 worth of India Investment
Fund, $137,000 in the Pakistan Investment Fund and almost $1.6 million worth of Asia Pacific Fund.
Tens of thousands of other investors were doing likewise, liquidating their holdings in emerging-markets funds.
This created another kind of contagion. Sales of emerging-markets mutual funds forced fund managers to pare
down their portfolios to pay back shareholders. This meant that fund managers had to trim holdings even in
distant countries, even in stocks that they regarded as still valuable. In this way the electronic herd rushing away
from Korea ended up trampling stocks in Argentina and Mexico.
The world seemed to be coming apart, and so was the U.S. government's consensus on what to do.
Indonesia was particularly nettlesome because of the question of how to treat President Suharto, the aging dictator, whom Clinton had
previously supported.
While on a trip to Texas on Jan. 8, 1998, Clinton telephoned Suharto from Air Force One to urge compliance with the monetary fund
program. But Suharto stuck to some of his ideas about how to run the economy, like a "currency board" to back Indonesian money with
dollars.
A White House aide recalls Suharto's growling, "Look, I understand that this doesn't cure anything, but the IMF isn't curing anything
either."
American officials were puzzled about what to do, and they had no intuitive feel for what might happen next.
"The nature of the crisis was not understood," recalls a senior official who weathered the thick of the crisis. "We didn't really grasp
everything that was going on."
Nation's Drive-By Shooting
ndonesia has been hit hardest, but what remains unclear is whether it had to suffer at all. Some economists argue that Indonesia was
simply the victim of the international equivalent of a drive-by shooting.
Its trade balance was in relatively healthy shape. It had a respectable $20 billion in foreign exchange reserves and did not squander them
trying to defend its currency. Credit had grown more slowly than in other countries, and there was less indication of a bubble. The
government initially reacted with foresight, going to the fund before any severe problems developed.
Yet in the end the Indonesian currency lost 85 percent of its value, riots cost more than 1,000 lives and hunger became widespread.
Today there are doubts about whether Indonesia can survive as a nation; some fear that it will fragment like Yugoslavia.
"These horrendous things did not have to happen," argues Jeffrey Sachs, a Harvard economist, who blames ..........