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To: Dayuhan who wrote (78164)	4/15/2000 1:24:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think, perhaps, this "stand alone" thing about principles- has a platonic ideal form quality to it. I think Brees was talking about principles that have an ideal form and an existence in and of themselves- something which I think neither you nor I agree with.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (78164)	4/15/2000 3:31:00 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<If there were no people, would adultery, theft, and murder still be immoral? I would have to say no,...>> It is not theft for a bear to take the honey from a bee hive. In most cases it is theft for a human to take a jar of honey from another human's house without permission. So, I would agree with you that morality as I understand it is entangled with humanness. But let's go one step further. If there are no humans does the idea of natural vs unnatural have meaning? How about beauty? It seems that humans are meaning brokers for the Universe. Well, it must have really been tough on that first guy. Can you immagine all the Angels and how needy they must have been, "Yo, Adam what's this and can you get me some of those what you ma call ems." Day in day out, he probably couldn't handle all the pressure. Yeah that's it, it was the pressure of his job that got him kicked out of the garden. :>