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To: Hank Stamper who wrote (9346)4/21/2000 11:30:00 AM
From: Scripts  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 24042
 
A fascinating tale Mr. Todtman. For those with money in the market it reminds one of Edgar Allen Poe's swinging sword.

Do you see evidence of the bear in the Dow as well as NASDAQ?

How does the invigoration of some of the "old economy stocks " fit in?

About how long have you held this view?

A one time gold bug I am a little more sensitive to oncoming disaster than perhaps is good for me. I have been planning to be out of all/most stocks by the US election and have the expectation that the next Pres maybe the first Hoover of this century. Nothing that has happened in the last 2 weeks has changed my mind. Even C$28 JDU is at risk in your scenario.
Ed L



To: Hank Stamper who wrote (9346)4/21/2000 12:59:00 PM
From: Ben Wa  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 24042
 
regarding valuation of the S&P 500 vs. historical levels - 99% of the time when I see people say how overvalued we are vs. historical levels, they fail to take into account the completely different makeup of the S&P now vs. in the past. As you know, firms are moved in and out of indexes on a regular basis. The result of this is that earnings growth for the S&P constituents now blows away the gwth rate of the past - and comparing the S&P now to 10 yrs ago is comparing apples and oranges. I find it humorous when people get on CNBC and complain that projected gwth rates for the S&P are "x" while historically, the S&P eps gwth rate has been 7%. Lions and tigers and bears, OH MY! Those Mensa dropouts don't have a clue, they are not challenged by the CNBC reporters, since all the reporters do is try to create hysteria either on the upside OR downside. I suggest you look beneath the surface of the data. I would also question the credibility of those who say, "gee, now we may be in a bear market, as defined as a drop of "x %" from highs. Most indexes are cap weighted, with the Russell indexes using their own proprietary weighting scheme, (somewhat float weighted). If you look at the internal advance decline ratio for the entire NASDAQ, you will see it melting way before the recent drop in the index. So who gives a shi* if finally the index that pretty reporters talk about finally dropped to reflect what was going on in the broader market? It had to happen and it did. Now find stocks with good fundamentals that are not reflected in current prices and buy them. end of story.



To: Hank Stamper who wrote (9346)4/21/2000 8:01:00 PM
From: Gut Trader  Respond to of 24042
 
The Bull is being kept hostage and may be suffering the Stockholm Syndrome soon....

Stockholm Syndrome
"They weren't bad people. They let me eat, they let me sleep, they gave me my life"

- A hostage from Flight 847

One way of describing this site would be "strange beliefs people have and how they got them." A curious footnote that doesn't seem to fit in nicely on any of the other pages is a phenomenon known as the Stockholm Syndrome.

In 1973, four hostages were taken in a botched bank robbery in Stockholm, Sweeden. At the end of their captivity, six days later, they actively resisted rescue. They refused to testify against their captors, raised money for their legal defense, and one of the hostages eventually became engaged to one of her jailed captors.

This struck some folks as weird, and as a way of coping with this uneasiness, as they started seeing more examples they named this class of strange behavior the "Stockholm Syndrome."

Notorious in the United States is the case of Patty Hearst, who after being kidnapped and tortured by the Symbionese Liberation Army, took up arms and joined their cause, taking on the nom de guerre of "Tania" and helping the SLA rob banks.

The Stockholm Syndrome comes into play when a captive cannot escape, is isolated and threatened with death, but is shown token acts of kindness by the captor. It typically takes about three or four days for the psychological shift to take hold.

A strategy of trying to keep your captor happy in order to stay alive becomes an obsessive identification with the likes and dislikes of the captor which has the result of warping your own psyche in such a way that you come to sympathize with your tormenter!

The syndrome explains what happens in hostage-taking situations, but can also be used to understand the behavior of battered spouses, members of religious cults, Holocaust victims, household pets, and perhaps even users of Internet Explorer.



To: Hank Stamper who wrote (9346)4/22/2000 12:15:00 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 24042
 
David Todtman,Todtman, seeing your gloomy outlook on JDSU and bandwidth, I thought
of cheering you up a little.
So here is an article on bandwidth and photonics as it will apply to JDSU
As early as 2 months from now, GG.

Key phrases:

" demand ( for bandwidth )along some domestic routes is doubling
every two or three months "


" The Internet is rapidly becoming the principal communication tool of
the world economy, Franks said. As the world becomes dependent on
e-commerce, the availability of bandwidth becomes critical for business
revenue. "Bandwidth has the potential to become the currency of the new
Internet economy."


cheers

TA

APRIL 24, 2000

Trading Bandwidth

The Internet commodity

debutshttp://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB956358714203757761.htm

By Michael Rieke

Momentum is building for the trading of telecommunications bandwidth, the commodity underlying the Internet economy. Bandwidth -- the capacity to move data at a certain speed between two points on a telecommunications network -- has been traded for years, mostly between telecom carriers. Each trade is negotiated to cover issues like price, term length and quality of service. Deals take months to complete and lock in terms for as long as 20 years.Last year, Enron proposed that bandwidth be traded like a commodity under standard terms and conditions covering quality of service, price and term length. The proposal called for financial penalties if either party to a deal failed to perform. Enron officials predicted that the market would grow enough to attract commodity funds, insurance companies and Wall Street firms that now trade other commodities.In December, Enron announced what it said was the first bandwidth commodity deal. It bought DS3 bandwidth from Global Crossing from New York to Los Angeles in monthly increments for delivery in 2000. A DS3 line has the capacity to move data at 45 million bits per second. More advanced technology moves data at speeds as fast as 9,952 Mbps.In February, Williams Communications announced that it would be a leader in developing a market for bandwidth. Other energy trading companies including Dynegy, El Paso Energy and Reliant Energy jumped on the bandwidth bandwagon.At a conference this month on trading telecom capacity, carriers moved closer to accepting the idea. Representatives from Level 3 Communications, US West and Concert Communications -- a joint venture between AT&T and British Telecom said the idea would be accepted if certain hurdles could be overcome.Ken Epps, Williams senior vice president, said his company is working on one hurdle with other carriers -- developing standards for quality of service. Volatility is also being debated. The wholesale price of bandwidth on domestic routes declines at least 10%-15% a year, says Sanjay Mewada, telecom analyst for the Yankee Group. Advances in technology can accelerate the decline by increasing supply.For example, early fiberoptic lines used one color of light to transmit data. Now as many as seven colors can be used, and each color has been split into as many as 20 channels, giving carriers 140 channels for transmitting data. On the other hand, demand along some domestic routes is doubling every two or three months, says Mewada. As companies get into e-commerce, they want more bandwidth to handle data-intensive applications.Bandwidth trading as a commodity has attracted the attention of futures exchanges. The New York Mercantile Exchange is "keeping an eye on" the activity but isn't currently developing a futures contract, said a Nymex spokeswoman.At least two European commodity exchanges are also interested. An active OTC market in bandwidth could preclude a futures contract. The OTC market in electric power, for example, is much bigger than the futures market for electric power.Mewada of the Yankee Group predicted that the U.S. data-services sector, which serves e-commerce, would be about $34 billion this year. The sector is growing 25%-30% a year, he said. A recent report by Schroeder & Co. said the global market for bandwidth could surpass $1.5 trillion by 2010. Bandwidth trading isn't just for telecommunications and energy companies, said Lin Franks, a bandwidth trading consultant with Andersen Consulting in Houston. The Internet is rapidly becoming the principal communication tool of the world economy, Franks said. As the world becomes dependent on e-commerce, the availability of bandwidth becomes critical for business revenue. "Bandwidth has the potential to become the currency of the new Internet economy."

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Message #9346 from David Todtman at Apr 21 2000 9:39AM
On assumption that this is not simply an intermediate term correction:

We have a very long way to go yet--bear markets take a long time (12 to 36 months are not unusual; sometimes more) to play out.
1. Sentiment. As I listen to the news and read the threads on SI and elsewhere, I see very little discussion of "bear market." Instead, I notice the present theme is 'don't buy stocks without earnings, go for the ones with strong growth present and future and real earnings.' The implication is that stocks will rise again, if you just get the flavour of the week right. Yes, there is concern and vexation. But, no, this is still a NO FEAR (tm) market. For us to even remotely approach the area of a bottom, this has to go and be replaced with wholesale nashing and negativity. In a market top, the general theme is 'you can't help but make money, buy on dips' whereas public knowledge at a bottom is 'the stock market is dangerous and will never come back.' I know it seems impossible, given how long we've been thrilled by our gains but, try to imagine 'everybody, everywhere' trash-talking the stock markets; try to imagine that the viewership (numbers) of CNBC is way down and the number of posts on SI is way down and what posts there are, are completely without faith. When Stewart is singing that tune, we'll be approaching the bottom; right now, he still has too much faith in wall street. At bottom, there will be an actual recession or talk everwhere of impending recession and potential depression. Seem impossible? It does to me and that, I think, is one reason why sentiment is too high. No fear. (What's really awful about writing this is that you only get that kind of horrible sentiment, after millions of people like you and me have actually been seriously hurt by the grinding down of our investment accounts. First we see our paper gains evaporate, then we see our principle value--the money we saved from our jobs! go away too. Its the shattering of dreams that is most destructive, I think.)

2. Valuations. What's the average p/e of the S&P 500 at present? It's still approx 40% above its historical average. When Stewart reaches psychological bottom, he will sell out at prices that are as unreasonably low as they were unreasonably high when he bought; Mr. "D" will fire him. Therefore, we should expect that the mean p/e of the S&P 500 at the bottom will be well below the historical mean. We're a very long way from that.

There is no relish in this for me.

With regard,
David Todtman



To: Hank Stamper who wrote (9346)4/23/2000 9:29:00 PM
From: Spreck  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 24042
 
I can not speak for anyone but myself and I am looking at this market as if its a cooked goose. Scott Trade has added more & more stocks to a higher margin rate and Fidelity has imposed pretty much the same or higher percentage rates on all internet stocks. people made lots of cash in the november to march run. I was doing pretty good also. I have givin back almost half of last years gains and have no idea of what to think of this market. I only thank my lucky stars that I sold some stocks to pay taxes with. Otherwise I could be wiped out with no working capital. The money managers and big brokerage houses run this rigged game. Lets see .... who holds the cards when the sellers walk in. No market makers hold up the prices and the big brokers sell {short} the nasdaq 100. Watch it fall like a rock when the big players short the markets. that is what happened on the last two drops.Just listen to the news on T V. I wana sell all my stocks and get out of the market like the next guy. But we all hold tight hoping foe a pop. In this environment is there anyone selling covered calls to protect themselves or am I way to late. It seems everyone I know has gone into stock shock. No one sold and most gave all there paper profits to the big guys. the fear i have is that as soon as I sell my covered calls the markets rise.
oh well i am hoping the markets just sold jdsu because of the consolidation of there newest acquisition. maybe we will see a better week for jdsu. In light of the MSFT earnings disappointment who knows? no one
good Luck to all this week
spreck