To: pgerassi who wrote (108495 ) 4/30/2000 9:27:00 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575424
PeteIntel's gross margins are irrelevant. I disagree. It is their net margin that is at stake. Their Computing Products Group's Gross margin does not take into account the various other groups. All of the other groups lost more than $400 Million last quarter. The margins I posted earlier were company inclusive for both AMD and Intel, and not broken down by dep't. On every level, including net margins, Intel's margins were superior to AMD's. Now take their earnings, 2.6 Billion, and divide that by the number of processors they claim to have sold, 32 Million, and you get about $81 in ASP. They claim their current ASP is about 190. Therefore at an ASP of about 100, they will lose about $300 Million a quarter. AMD made 175 Million at an ASP of 87. They would start to lose money at an ASP of 61. When AMD starts to lose money, Intel will lose about 1.5 Billion a quarter. At that rate, Intel will eat up its book value in about 20 quarters. At that rate, Intel would be valued at about 1.3 times book value or $13 dollars. There would be a shareholder revolt at Intel, employees would leave in droves, etc. First when you are talking ASP's, you are guessing. Intel refuses to give out ASP's; that's why I like looking at margins...those figures are published and are for real. Having said that, I do not understand how Intel's margins can be so superior to AMD's, and btw margins are a great way of determining a company's efficiency and cost effectiveness in producing their products, and yet, you are able to show us, by massaging your est. ASP's, that AMD can make more money at lower prices than Intel. That makes no sense and I think it underlines my concern with this whole issue......that this thread may be loosing sight of reality. Once again, Intel is the 1000 ft Chipzilla that AMD has managed to graze with a couple of bullets....surface wounds. If Intel was to truly get focused, I would be afraid, very afraid. Fortunately, they haven't to date and I don't think they will for a while. Now I know this is very rough, but Intel is at a high evaluation. I believe it to be too high. Someone said that Intel used to never exceed a PE of 22. Given this reference on current earnings, Intel should trade at 69 and AMD at 100. Thus AMD is at 88% of this limit where Intel is at 181%. Thus Intel can not afford to have investors take a hard look at it. A big price war would initiate that. Like I said to doug, Intel trades at a premium because they are Intel.....its no big secret, its been going on for a long time. Last summer, I was blown away when Intel failed to make its consensus EPS and the analysts rallied around it and the stock went up. Its taken everyone (except this thread) a full year and half to figure out that Intel has problems. Now why do think that is? My suggestion.....because its Intel. ted