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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Barracuda™ who wrote (3665)	4/29/2000 9:07:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

>So let us not send Elian back to cuba. Juan will not have possession. You should not allow yourself to be a henchman for Castro. Shame on you.< LOOK at the way you talk. A "henchman" of Castro? You would rather force someone to live here, by becoming a dictator yourself, to teach Castro a lesson? You've never addressed this- and I've posted it to you in a number of different ways. If freedom means ANYTHING does it not mean the right to choose to live in a way X2 might not agree with? Or does freedom only mean you have the right to choose freedom? And that really isn't freedom is it?

To: The Barracuda™ who wrote (3665)	4/29/2000 9:16:00 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 9127

I'm curious X2, I'm getting confused on where all these opinions are going- there are so many directions and threads. I think there is no question that there were some really WEIRD thing happening all around this situation, that between the government and the Cuban community, we haven't gotten very accurate reports on anything. I do think we've been manipulated by a master (Castro) and that Clinton is working off his own agenda for a legacy. I think the actual legal points are debatable. If Elian were to have his "day in court", represented by an impartial guardian ad litem, and the verdict were rendered that he should be returned to his father, would that be acceptable? Or do you believe that no matter what, no matter how the rule of law plays out, that particular outcome is unacceptable? That Elian's staying here supercedes all other factors or laws or rulings or parental desires?

To: The Barracuda™ who wrote (3665)	4/29/2000 10:13:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 9127

I'm not a henchman, equis cuadrado, i'm a hunchman, and as ready as anyone to wish good riddance to Castro ... look about you, man, nobody on this thread supports his continuation in power after fourty years has proven his experiment a failure. What people object to is the theft of children. But since you and your crowd insists on bringing Castro into it, here are my hunches on how to get rid of him - 1. Refrain from stealing the children of cubanos. Don't even think about it. Such an action would backfire on you. Bigtime. 2. Cease all hostile action against Cuba. The Cold War is over. Cuba poses no security threat to the US beyond their ability to open the gates and deluge you in yet more ex-cubanos. Threatening Cuba from without only props up Castro's cubanidad anti-imperialistista platform. Take a leaf from Gandhi's book - cut him off at the knees, give him nothing of the sort. Eventually cubanos will forgive the huge wrongs your nation has done them in the past. But first you have to stop. 3. Talk to cubanos. Face to face, one on one. If you truly believe in your fine words of liberty, show it to them, live it, go there and show it off. Oops, you can't do that, as a US citizen your government denies you that freedom. Ok, very well then - 4. End the embargo. It doesn't work. In fact it is counter-productive to your end, after fourty years and nine of your presidents Castro still rules the island. Gee, maybe isolation wasn't such a good idea ... try engagement. Not of Castro, but of cubanos - individual cubanos ... convince enough of them and you won't need to worry about Castro any more. Ah, but you say you can't do that, you don't truly believe in your ability to live your fine words of liberty, having only read about them in books doesn't really give you confidence in them or assuage your insecurities so much after all, and you would rather your government got rid of Castro with the embargo, since you see it as easier. Well then i say to you - 5. Wake the F up. The embargo doesn't work, but even if it did somehow result in Castro losing power, that change would be much less likely to come peacefully than if you had wider contact with Cuba. And that's what you want - a peaceful transition, without another bloody civil war resulting in hundreds of thousands of additional refugees landing on your shores and cries for US intervention with the inevitable body bags shipped home to Pittsburgh and Portland and Pasadena. You do not want a war. Just go talk to them. Have a little patience, have a lot more understanding, get over your insecurities and go freakin talk to cubanos. 6. But do not steal their children.