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To: dmf who wrote (103369)5/12/2000 12:31:00 PM
From: deibutfeif  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
dmf, re:...Should we put Amy in charge?... Absolutely, as soon as she's done start-uping. ;^)

~dbf



To: dmf who wrote (103369)5/12/2000 10:27:00 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Hi dmf,

Amy in charge, definitely an excellent idea! And I agree about schools. I would also include basic stock investing courses. We live in a capitalistic society, yet we don't teach our citizens how to access and benefit from it.

Check out this article...I would have to know more details, but it sure looks like someone at Intel has their head up their butt.

A company afraid of a critic, is a company living in frozen mental model where dialogue gets suffocated. I am far from an ACLU fan, but it sure looks like they have a good point here.

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ACLU Accuses Intel Of Violating Free Speech
newsbytes.com

By Sherman Fridman, Newsbytes
SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.,
12 May 2000, 4:38 PM CST
The ACLU is backing a former Intel employee who was ordered to stop sending e-mail critical of Intel to coworkers. In a case of e-mail as free speech, the Northern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed an Amici Curiae (Friend of the Court) brief in an appeal pending in the lawsuit brought against Kourosh Hamidi by Intel Corporation [NASDAQ:INTC].

The brief was filed Thursday and addresses the right of a court to suppress the conduct of an employee who uses an employer's e-mail system to criticize the employer, according to Ann Brick, one of the attorneys representing the ACLU.

Brick said that Hamidi used to work for Intel Corporation and that during his employment, Hamidi sent a total of 6 e-mail messages over a period of almost 2 years, to other Intel employees.

The ACLU acknowledges that the e-mail messages were critical of Intel's employment policies and of Intel's positions on issues such as the need to hire more workers from abroad. However, Brick said that not only were a small number of e-mail messages sent, Hamidi told the e-mail recipients that he would remove them from his mailing list upon request, a promise that the ACLU says Hamidi honored.

Brick confirmed that before filing suit, Intel had asked Hamidi to stop sending the e-mail and that he refused.

Intel then filed suit in a California State Court asking that Hamidi be enjoined from sending the e-mail. The basis for Intel's request was its allegation that Hamidi's e-mail constituted a "trespass to its chattel" (i.e. an improper entry upon property belonging to another).

The trial court granted Intel's request and permanently enjoined Hamidi from sending e-mail to Intel employees at their work e-mail address. There was no request or order that would have prevented Hamidi from having communication with Intel employees at their private e-mail addresses.

Brick pointed out that the court also found Hamidi's e-mail did not in any way harm or disrupt Intel's e-mail system. Instead, the court concluded that an injunction was proper because as a result of what Hamidi had to say, Intel employees spent time discussing the e-mail and Intel management had to spend time answering employee questions generated by the e-mail messages.

Brick said that as far as she knew, this case was the first of its kind. She said there were prior cases having to do with spamming, but that Hamidi's messages were not spam, as he sent only 6 over a 2-year period.

Brick says that Intel's actions were a heavy-handed attempt to silence a critic, not an effort to prevent overload on its e-mail system. "E-mail is the electronic version of a protestor's picket sigh and leaflet," she said. "It has quickly become the preferred means of communication for millions of people across the country and around the world. The First Amendment protects Hamidi's right to use e-mail to reach his intended audience at the place where that audience can best be found."

Newsbytes obtained a copy of the ACLU's brief filed with the Third District Court of Appeal in Sacramento, California. The ACLU contends that the injunction granted against Hamidi violates the First Amendment and that Intel's "trespass" theory does not apply in a situation like this one - where there has been no substantial damage to, or disruption of, Intel's communication system.

The brief also argues that the First Amendment prohibits an injunction that is based solely on Intel's objection to the content of Hamidi's messages.

The California Court of Appeal is not expected to make a decision on the case until the end of the year.

More information from the ACLU's Northern California chapter is available at aclunc.org





To: dmf who wrote (103369)5/16/2000 5:54:00 AM
From: Amy J  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 186894
 
OT Hi DMF and Thread, RE: "Public schools need to teach more than how to write a check, open a savings account and sign up for a credit card. Education for real life would include serious financial information. Should we put Amy in charge?"
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Thank you for your compliments.

I would love to help fix this problem (after I finish what I'm working on now). Maybe there could be an entrepreneurial spin on a solution to this problem. I know of two women entrepreneurs who have started businesses/websites which educate girls on financial independence. Not sure what their revenue/biz model is though (but they must have one if they're effectively teaching financial independence)

I do not understand why the school system doesn't better educate children on financial matters like the benefits of investing and explaining the types of investment vehicles (IRAs, mutual funds, stocks, etc.) It isn't too difficult to teach, and why leave it up to the chance?

Amy J