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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: chalu2 who wrote (5537)	5/17/2000 6:03:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Respond to of 9127

Interesting that those who cry "Gestapo" have so little to say about the treatment of Wen Ho Lee... From: Albuquerque Journal Wednesday, April 26, 2000 Lee Gets More Freedom By Ian Hoffman Journal Staff Writer Fired Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee is perhaps enjoying a greater measure of freedom this week, now that his attorneys are regularly meeting him in Albuquerque and Los Alamos for consultations. But Lee's ankles stay shackled for those visits, and he remains jailed under restrictions tighter than those for any other prisoner in the United States, one of Lee's defense attorneys told an American Civil Liberties Union forum here Tuesday. "If you have the misfortune to be accused of aational-security crime like Dr. Lee, you can just take the Bill of Rights and throw it out the window," Lee attorney Nancy Hollander said of his jailing. An FBI agent still must be present and taking notes whenever Lee talks to his family, by phone or in person. "There is never a moment when he can have an intimate conversation with his wife," Hollander said. "Every other prisoner in this country, including those on death row, can speak by telephone through glass and can have an intimate moment with their loved ones." It took months of negotiation, she said, to allow Lee to listen to classical music on a portable radio, such as other prisoners can readily purchase inside the jail for $20. Lee, 60, is jailed in Santa Fe awaiting a Nov. 6 trial date on charges of copying to tapes a wealth of computerized U.S. nuclear-weapons data, primarily explosive simulation programs and the weapons designs fed into them. The extraordinary watch over Lee springs from FBI warnings that Lee, 60, might utter a deceptively innocuous phrase "Uncle Wen says hello," was one FBI example and signal accomplices to kidnap him or locate some of the tapes. The tapes hold dozens of files designated "Protect As Restricted Data" or PARD. Los Alamos lab applied the PARD label, and a lower level of security, to printed and electronic information never formally reviewed for classified information but thought to contain "restricted data," the classification category for information on designing and making nuclear weapons. A fellow weapons-lab scientist said he fears a trial will be poorly suited to weighing the subtleties of nuclear weapons, what about them is truly secret or valuable to a foreign nation and what is not. "There are scientists with great credentials who are going to disagree (at the trial), just as they disagree over global warming and other things," said William Sullivan, an engineer who has worked on weapons for Sandia National Laboratories. So far, Sullivan said, prosecutors and Congress have made a muddle of a complex field, most recently treating weapons codes used for "virtual nuclear testing" as the equal of bombs and warheads. From the NY Times April 15, 2000 Files in Question in Los Alamos Case Were Reclassified By WILLIAM J. BROAD The computer files at the heart of the case against the former Los Alamos scientist Wen Ho Lee were given higher security classifications last year only after he was fired in the midst of an espionage investigation at the weapons laboratory, defense lawyers and federal officials say. At the time Dr. Lee downloaded the files onto his computer, they were classified but not designated secret or confidential, as the indictment against him alleges. Instead, they were governed by a lower kind of security precaution, according to both sides in the case, as well as a document that federal prosecutors filed as evidence.

To: chalu2 who wrote (5537)	5/17/2000 9:05:00 AM
From: The Barracuda™	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

But the situation is not reversing itself as the Elian raid shows. The trend towards gov't encroachment on liberties is increasing. During the revolutionary war participation in the army was voluntary During the civil war, there was a draft See the loss of liberty?? Also, as Dershowitz and tribe have said, the 11 Th circuit had refused to give the attorney general authority to compel Lazaro to give Elian to the cubans. The attorney general attacked Lazaro and siezed Elian. Reno's seems to think that she can do anything except that which is prohibited. WRONG!! She may only do that which is permitted, No court order to turn Elian over, hence the analogy to the Gestapo- which was the law in nazi germany. It is true that the ins an US gov't are not NAZI like in behavior if you define that type of behavior as only what which occured in Germany, but the priciple under which the US government operated in the Elian raid is that Lazaro has no right to freedom, only govt granted privledges. Hence, if Janet Reno gives an order, Lazaro must snap-to and obey.