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To: Dan3 who wrote (111711)	5/21/2000 1:14:00 PM
From: Lyle Bean	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572172

I believe INTC mistakes are being made by shortcuts the company is taking in order to catch up with AMD. AMD has already made major mistakes in the past and has learned from them. Has INTC?

To: Dan3 who wrote (111711)	5/21/2000 1:27:00 PM
From: Dan3	Respond to of 1572172

Very interesting FYI from JC on benchmarks jc-news.com Q: Why do Intel CPUs (e.g. Pentium III) score higher than other CPUs (e.g. Athlon) with more advanced FPUs in Whetstone? A: The Whetstone benchmark uses the slowest functions of the FPU (computing transcendentals, e.g. sin/cos/tan) in a way that cannot be parallelised (one serial chain). This was done in order to prevent cheating by manufacturers as much as possible. Unfortunately, this means that features like out-of-order execution, pipelining, etc. are bypassed. These are paramout to today's processors but that's not what is tested here. Thus on processors that transcendental instructions have been optimised the benchmark index will be much higher. Other CPU manufacturers (e.g. AMD) have chosen to optimise other instructions - which they consider more widely used than transcendentals - thus the benchmark index on such CPUs (e.g. K6 series, Athlon) will be lower even if the FPU is more advanced". Wow ... a benchmark that uses the least often accessed fpu instructions. If I really, really strain for it, I could almost hear Johan "use flops, damnit!" DeGelas rolling around in his grave. Well, if he were dead, that is.

To: Dan3 who wrote (111711)	5/21/2000 7:24:00 PM
From: Mani1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572172

Dan re <<We have to remember that Elmer works for Intel and expect him to try to present a view of their operation that is optimistic (or more).>> That is no excuse for plain out lies and BS. The sad thing is that he has given up trying to be slick with the lies. He has no problem to state completely made up fantasies based on how he wishes things were. Elmer is completely separated from reality. His claim that AMD has trouble selling the Athlon inventory is a good example of this. Mani

To: Dan3 who wrote (111711)	5/21/2000 7:58:00 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1572172

Dan And I also remember the days of last summer when Elmer wasn't quite the (relatively speaking) statesman he is these days. I agree......I think the loss of Intel credibility did that. PS - I know I've lost it a few times on the thread when I'm in a hurry or having a bad day. So I hope we can all cut each other a little slack (as opposed to just cutting each other!) Again I agree.....I think with AMD doing better we can cut the Intel longs some slack; besides why act like they did last summer.... ted