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To: shamsaee who wrote (25297)	5/24/2000 4:39:00 PM
From: tekboy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

DANGEROUSLY OT <<OBTW there is a fire sale on qcom today...Nice buy on the options.>>> aafjo--Oct 75 QCOM calls bought: 13 5/8 closed: 16 7/8 tekboy/Ares@tortoise?what'satortoise?.com

To: shamsaee who wrote (25297)	5/24/2000 5:04:00 PM
From: areokat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 54805

"Learning the hard way but won't make the same mistake again in the future." The problem is that you probably wont see the same scenario next time. Looking at the two portfolios I manage, my son's is in much better shape because it has more LTB&H stocks in it than mine. 4 of 18 stocks support it. They are intc, ge, pfe, and orcl. intc and pfe have been in the portfolio for over 5 years. On a time weighted basis it is up 108% compared to 13.8% for the s&p. These results are, to me, the value of LTB&H. In my own portfolio which really dates from Aug.-Sept. of 98 the results aren't as good but it's still in the green and again the portfolio is supported by the longer term holding like csco, intc, brcm and orcl, three of which are my oldest holdings. These were all pre-GG selections before I knew what a gorilla was (except the zoo kind <g>). Time weighted it is still up 38 % compared to 10 % for the s & p. A couple of years from now I expect to see some of my gorilla additions to show the same results and I think you will too. "It does significantly reduce ones risk." Also reduces ones up side potential. Unfortunately when dealing with the volatility that we are in the stocks we invest in it's " no pain, no gain". Separate subject. Has there been any attempt or discussion about trying to quantify the relative sizes of the CAP of our different gorillas. To put it badly,as an example, is qcoms' CAP bigger than selbs' CAP?

To: shamsaee who wrote (25297)	5/24/2000 5:14:00 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

OT: buy&hold vs timing : one of the benefits I have discovered of the LTB&H approach, is that I DO NOT expect overnight gains, I look (out of curiosity) at these stocks once every few months. (net-net : close to 0 effort in monitoring a portfolio, and the returns have been "good enough" for me). If I were to do TA, time entry points and all those wonderful aspects of participating in the equities market, I'd have to give up my "day job", which provides a steady source of income. TBL : one may win/loose with a timing perspective. One will have to put in significantly more effort with this strategy. With a LTB&H (over multiple years, not minutes), one is more likely to eventually be a winner, with no effort/heartaches. cheers, kumar

To: shamsaee who wrote (25297)	5/24/2000 5:35:00 PM
From: Uncle Frank	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 54805

>> I have decided to take the approach of adding in valuation and TA of when to buy and when to sell. I'm curious as to why you've come to this conclusion, Sham. Have you seen some of the traders sporting big profits, or have you been ground down by the "long" 6 week bear market? Before you start your new trading program, I'd like to suggest you re-read the first few chapters of the fm. uf

To: shamsaee who wrote (25297)	5/25/2000 2:02:00 PM
From: areokat	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 54805

Stan. As I was continuing my assigned homework of reading the back posts I came across a very interesting post I know you will be interested in. "To: DlphcOracl who wrote (4416) From: Snasraway Saturday, Jul 31, 1999 9:46 AM ET Respond to Post # 4418 of 25364 Dear Delphi: You haven't posted too often on this thread, but let me welcome you. We can always use another visionary. Your logic seems reasonable related to expecting a downturn in the market, based on: 1. seasonal rhythms in the past 2. talk of interest rate hike 3. summer boredom 4. market priced for perfection But what if you're wrong? What if your 2/3 cash position leaves you buying some of your favorites on the watch list at a higher price? How to manage one's equity profile depends on one's investment philosophy. For example, I've been waiting for JDSU to pull back any day now, and while waiting, it has doubled. It has such incredible momentum, tho' I don't fully appreciate how much of this is based on the company's value, vs. expectations. IOW, I think it overvalued; but waiting for it to be more reasonably valued hasn't happened. Couple questions; you don't seem to be into buy and hold....what is your investment philosophy??? Since you expect a major downturn, did you place stop-losses on your present holdings which you chose to keep? Curious as to your practice on stop-losses. I tend not to use stop-losses on my longterm holdings, because of past experience at being stopped out of a company I want and which then takes off after I'm out. But others would say that you should sell quickly with any downturn, so as to minimize losses, while letting the equities with momentum rise unfettered, such that the net effect is minimal losses counterbalanced by much greater gains. Oh Oracle, what do you think? How about the rest of the thread? stan" Tom