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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (6544)5/28/2000 4:50:00 PM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 9127
 
Your theory that my hatred of Castro and Clinton has clouded my judgement is wrong. I simply believe I recognize the type of individuals who are involved in the decision making process (based on past records) and understand on a different level how they're manipulating events.

Here is another interesting article backing up my assertion that Elians father truly would stay if given a reasonable opportunity by those in power.

INSIDER REPORT

Witnesses: Eli n's Dad Wanted to Leave Cuba
thenewamerican.com

On February 24th, attorneys representing the Miami relatives of six-year-old Eli n Gonz lez released sworn statements from relatives who stated that Eli n?s father, Juan Miguel Gonz lez, had told them of his desire for Eli n to come to the U.S. and his own plans to flee Communist Cuba. Also released were affidavits by a Cuban psychologist who had escaped Castro?s totalitarian regime and Sister O?Laughlin, president of Barry University, who hosted the meeting between Eli n and his grandmothers from Cuba.

"I know for a fact that Juan Miguel wanted to come to the United States," stated his first cousin, Maria Isabel Martell, who grew up with him in Cuba and arrived in the United States on June 23, 1999, five months before Eli n was found clinging to an inner tube off the Florida coast on Thanksgiving Day. "When my brother, Alfredo, and my husband left Cuba, Juan Miguel told me, in front of his mother and his relatives, that sometime in the future he would come, even if it had to be in a tub," Mrs. Martell said in her sworn statement.

"On several occasions, when I was living in Cuba, Juan Miguel stated, in my presence, that he wanted to come to the United States," stated Yusledis Ortiz, the wife of Alfredo Martell, a cousin of Eli n?s father. In January of 1999, Mrs. Ortiz stated in her affidavit, after Juan Miguel learned that her husband had made it to the United States, he told her and other relatives "that Alfredo should have let him know, so he could have come with him even if he had to row." He also told her that he desperately wanted to escape Cuba, but "what would hurt him the most would be to leave his son [Eli n] behind."

The statements of these relatives add to similar testimony provided earlier by others: Juan Miguel?s aunt, Georgina Cid; Juan Miguel?s uncle, Lazaro Gonz lez; Juan Miguel?s cousin, William Gonz lez; Spanish reporter Mauricio Vincent; other relatives; and neighbors interviewed in Cuba by Rev. Kilari Anan Paul (see "Eli n?s Odyssey," March 13th).

Dr. Marta Molina, for over 20 years a psychologist in Castro?s dystopia, arrived in the U.S. from Cuba in August 1999. "During the time I practiced as a psychologist in Cuba," Dr. Molina stated in her affidavit, "I saw over 500 children under the age of 16 who had serious psychological problems as a result of their disagreement or their parents? disagreement and refusal to indoctrinate the children in the Communist ideology." Based upon her personal experience and knowledge of the policies and practices of the Cuban government, Dr. Molina said, it is her professional opinion "that if Eli n Gonz lez, age 6, is forced to return to Cuba, he will be immediately taken into seclusion away from the mainstream, to reindoctrinate him in the ways of Communist ideology." "He will be told that his mother was a traitor, commonly referred to as a ?gusano? (a worm) because she left Cuba illegally and he will be forced to repudiate her memory as a traitor to the regime," she noted. "As with all other children I have treated," said Dr. Molina, "since Eli n Gonz lez has been exposed to the United States? way of life for such a long period of time, it is my professional opinion that the indoctrination and silencing of his thoughts and memories of the United States will, as it did in many other children, lead to depression and a psychological confusion which will result in severe psychological trauma and which will never be properly dealt with due to the instructions given to psychologists in the Republic of Cuba."



To: Lane3 who wrote (6544)5/28/2000 5:19:00 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9127
 
I received the Double Headed Serpent CD- it's really really good. We like it a lot. The 17th and 18th century Indian music and the Art of the Andean flute had to be special ordered, but I'll let you know how they are when I get them. And thank you so much for recommending Fortaleza.

We just finished watching And God Said HA for the umpteenth time. I bought it because it is SUCH a moving and human piece of film making. I guess I'm a sucker for monologues in the first place- I love Spalding Gray- we own Monster in a Box and Swimming to Cambodia. But And God said HA is so touching, and personal- it's one of the most moving things I've ever see. So see it if you haven't- because it is uplifting, even though it is sad at times (and it is laugh out loud funny too!) But I brought it up because for the first time I really heard the last song on it- by a group called the Crash Test Dummies- which has a lot of significance in the movie. But I REALLY liked it- and I was always so caught up in my feeling about the movie I never really heard the song. So I wanted to tell you to give them a listen if you haven't heard them. I'm not sure whether you will like them or not but I loved them.



To: Lane3 who wrote (6544)5/29/2000 1:55:00 AM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9127
 
Damn straight i'm being single-minded on this - the family structure rules, imho. But i don't think that means you and i are coming at it from different angles, necessarily ...

"I don't think (editorial light is on) that Marcos, for example is using black/white thinking
when he bombards us with "Mi hijo/que se fijen en la esencia." He's being
single-minded. He is telling us that, in his priority scheme, the father/son relationship
ranks highest. I don't recall him ever saying why. He's so passionate about it that I
suspect some personal reason ... [...] .. My own view of this (the editorial light is still on) is that the U.S. being a good world citizen is the highest priority.
"

I take the same view of my countries ... if Eli n had happened to be picked up by a canadian or mexicano vessel i would certainly hope that he would have been released as soon as possible to his father ... and for the same reason - an urge toward civilisation demands that we act from basic principles.

The most basic of principles, and the basic building block of any society, is imho the family ... now while between the four nations of which i speak here it is likely true that Family is currently most prominent as a philosophy in M‚xico, it is clearly important in all ... i see the rights of parents as axiomatic, on a more basic level of humanity than the point at which we argue politics ... so i start there, with Family as a premise ... you don't recall me 'ever saying why' ... well let me say then that i had a mother, and a father, and aunts and uncles and cousins and grandparents and will before long have sons ... and we are/will be all related ... it's a blood thing i guess ... thicker than water.

For my country to recognise this is for it to be a good world citizen ... and proud holder of no little Common Sense ... this is not so far from where you come at it, eh ... cheers