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To: mozek who wrote (45916)6/3/2000 1:59:00 AM
From: JC Jaros  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651
 
You characterize Java with an intensity and bias that speaks directly to MS's deathly fear OF Java. --- You use this word 'open' with such authority. You do this as your employer hijacks Kerberos and whatever else open they can innovate. The rhetoric you're given by the colony is just obviously and flat-out silly to the rest of the world anymore. -JCJ



To: mozek who wrote (45916)6/3/2000 2:00:00 AM
From: Charles Tutt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651
 
I read that article, and except for a conclusory remark, I don't see how it supports the premise that Sun "quashed" anything; they simply didn't support something they didn't find valuable, and it died.

If you want to call Java a 100% Sun monopoly I can't dissuade you, but there are cooperative structures in place that allow others to influence Java's direction; contrast that with Windows.

As for the Sun vs. Microsoft lawsuit, my recollection is that there were weeks of negotiations reported in the press during which Sun tried to get Microsoft to honor its contractual commitments before they pressed forward with the lawsuit. As I recall, Microsoft was adamant that they would NOT come into compliance. Being partially compliant is a little like being partially pregnant; the controversy isn't about who was ahead in the effort to reach the goal at any particular time, but IS about whether Microsoft was actually working towards subversion of the goal it had contractually embraced -- something like a wolf in sheep's clothing. The case will wind its way through the court and eventually we'll get a final decision (or settlement); as many here are fond to remind us in the context of the DOJ suit against Microsoft, it's not over 'til it's over.

All JMHO, as usual.



To: mozek who wrote (45916)6/3/2000 2:10:00 AM
From: Charles Tutt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74651
 
You didn't characterize Java as "marketing fluff" per se, but you DID lump it in with such things as the moribund UCSD-P system, except "that these other solutions weren't marketed with the salesmanship and desperation of Scott McNealy saving his business." That implied to me that you thought Java owed its vitality merely to marketing.