To: Lane3 who wrote (7117 ) 6/8/2000 2:30:00 PM From: marcos Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 9127
Karen, i still don't consider the border in dispute ... whatever gave you the idea i did ... the nation has long since resigned itself to half of her territory being occupied, this is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future, for obvious reasons ... To point out that the native of the area feels the right of passage within it is simply to state a fact ... a fact which forms a parallel for the background to the more general topic of this thread, that of US relations with its neighbor Cuba. The exercise of that right of passage i counsel against, btw, to those without papers acceptable to the reigning powers that be ... with a canadian passport it is easy for me personally but we have family and friends who consider going to the US without papers ... always they would rather be legal but the chances of getting the papers is outweighed by the chances of getting struck by lightning in the lineup ... i always counsel strongly against an illegal passage of that border due to the extreme risks involved ... the last few kms of M‚xico and the first few kms of US are truly a one-sided war zone, and have been long before the recent increase in shootings. "I think that your notion that people have some moral right to go wherever their perception of birthright leads them despite current national borders is wistful and charming. And utterly futile. " It's not just my notion, Karen ... the native knows he is native, knows he has rights, knows the brutes who violate those rights are evil ... he is also, in most cases, quite aware of how 'utterly futile ' an attempt to exercise those rights would be, and refrains from doing so ... "and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. " .... nolo contendere, it is futile for sure ... Prudence, indeed, will dictate ... but it is more than a notion; Rights do not originate from law, from old pieces of paper ... they originate in the minds of man, and much later, usually after their introduction to use in society, get transposed to pieces of paper .... ok, if you like, they begin as 'notion' ... but hey - No notions, no rights. If to state these things is in your view facile, so be it ... i consider it basic background to the topic, carrying as it does parallels with the historical treatment of Cuba by the US and the influence that treatment has on the present situation ... i don't mean to grind on on this, but i could not let Penni's sentence go by uncontested ... almost no one on this thread with the exception of Steven has an informed objective view on this, and recognises its importance in maintaining power for the hardliners in the foreign policy of the respective countries ... the facility is perhaps in the eye of the beholder.