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To: Elmer who wrote (115377)	6/10/2000 11:23:00 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571405

Elmer, When Willy arrives it'll be a new ball game. Did you have a chance to look at the roadmaps in this message: Message 13863203 Do you have any idea what this Coppermine T (or LV - low voltage?) is? Any idea about the Willy with different pin counts? Why is Intel replacing Willy so quickly? Joe

To: Elmer who wrote (115377)	6/11/2000
From: crazyoldman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571405

Hello Elmer, Re: I think you guys are getting carried away again. From: anandtech.com Those are the 5 boards that arrived in the AnandTech lab in time for the Thunderbird review. We'll have many more Socket-A motherboard previews, and much much more, in our Computex 2000 coverage next week. Of course, we'll have complete Socket-A motherboard reviews and a roundup as soon as production boards are available. Unlike the Slot-A motherboard market, the Socket-A processors from AMD should be very well supported from the start. The motherboard manufacturers no longer fear Intel's wrath and are simply producing the best Socket-A products they can. With Thunderbird running neck and neck with the Pentium III and Duron set to trounce the Celeron, Intel could be in quite a bit of trouble very soon. CrazyMan

To: Elmer who wrote (115377)	6/11/2000 12:01:00 AM
From: pgerassi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571405

Dear Elmer: Tbird out runs Cmine using same NB except for FSB. Cmine is about 10 to 20% slower when comparing apples to apples, Via Apollo Pro vs KT133 using same SDRAM, etc. When running high computational loads, Cmine loses up to 50% slower. The peak yield of Cmine is still 650 to 700Mhz where K75 seems to be 800 to 850Mhz and Tbird is about 850 to 900Mhz (this is very early yet). With Cmine 4 speed grades behind, the average Cmine is blown out on any platform by the average Tbird on KT133. If Ali or 760 comes into play, Cmine will be relegated to the middle end, and possibly even soon to the low end. Even Intel is beginning to imply this. The average Williamette must exceed the average Mustang when it appears or Intel will lose the high end altogether. For servers, clustering will probably take over the very large super servers. This is why DEC, now Compaq, still holds a large advantage to other servers. Their clustering technology is still recognized as the best currently available. In a cluster, the failure of one server, does not bring the whole system down with it. The others simply have a higher load and low priority apps just slow down. This is akin to what a Beowulf cluster does. Kind of a RAID for servers. Pete

To: Elmer who wrote (115377)	6/11/2000 12:05:00 AM
From: kapkan4u	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571405

<I think you guys are getting carried away again. Just like the fantasy of 1.5 GHz TBirds. First off, Willamette demo'd at 1.5GHz > Willy at 1.5GHz is much more a fantasy than Tbird at 1.5GHz, IMHO. <When Willy arrives it'll be a new ball game.> Yea I know, just wait for McWilly on 0.13u. It will be a new ball game. Kap

To: Elmer who wrote (115377)	6/11/2000 1:11:00 AM
From: Scumbria	Respond to of 1571405

Elmer, At Fry's tonight I saw something interesting. The space formerly occupied by PIII mid-range boxes is being replaced by Athlon high end boxes. Both HP and Compaq GHz systems are being sold. The fastest PIII system is slower than the slowest Athlon system (750MHz.) AMD completely owns the high end of the retail PC space. What possible reason would AMD have to introduce a higher speed grade in this environment? They will introduce 1.1-1.5GHz at just the right times to cause Intel maximum embarassment, and to optimize AMD revenues. CuMine alone is well able to compete It competes just fine at the entry level.. Scumbria

To: Elmer who wrote (115377)	6/11/2000 1:22:00 AM
From: Cirruslvr	Respond to of 1571405

Elmer - RE: "I think you guys are getting carried away again. ... With TBird a disappointment and unable to show any clear advantage over current CuMines while at the same time being larger and therefore more expensive to manufacture, I think CuMine alone is well able to compete. When Willy arrives it'll be a new ball game." You are also getting carried away. You are quick to calling Thunderbird a "disappointment" compared to Cumine and more expensive to make than K75. Maybe you are forgetting Thunderbird systems are better priced than Cumine equivalents. Maybe you are forgetting total Thunderbird cost to AMD is actually lower than the Athlon it is replacing. Maybe you also forgetting the Athlon goes to memory-synchronous 266MHz fsb later this year. Maybe you are forgetting Athlon will be able to use PC2100 DDR SDRAM later this year. Maybe you are forgetting Mustang will be faster than Thunderbird. Maybe you are forgetting Intel will more than likely not be able to pump out 5 - 10 million Willys in Q4. Maybe you area forgetting Athlons will be well ramped in Dresden by Q4, with some being made on a process smaller than .18. Maybe you are forgetting Intel is on record as saying Willy will be tied to DRDRAM this year (although I don't believe that). Maybe you are forgetting DRDRAM prices are MUCH higher than SDRAM. Maybe you are forgetting your FUD doesn't work as well as it used to. Or maybe you are only looking at what you want to because that view is nicer to you.