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To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (115605)	6/12/2000 3:47:00 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576884

biz.yahoo.com Whatever that means. :o) OTOH I always hoped the chipset and mobo problems would work themselves out, but VIA needs iNteL's volume to pay the bills. Anyone knows where the iNteL/VIA lawsuit is, or are we seeing "details to be named later" while VIA screws AMD? :o) steve

To: Daniel Schuh who wrote (115605)	6/12/2000 4:42:00 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1576884

Dan, re:<Steve, to paraphrase Chevy Chase, Rambus is our friend, and Via isn't. I think Via is too busy building PC133 cumine chipsets.> Stangely, Intel's apparent success with the i815 should change all that. I predict Intel will gain market share from VIA for the next three months. I have no doubt Intel is developing DDR chipsets for CuMine and Willy. As far as the KT133 problems I've seen so far -- 1. Performance improvement of TBird is underwhelming, but I'm not sure KT133 is to blame. Most benchmarks have been for games where most of the instructions/data fit in the L1 cache anyway. Scumbria predicted TBird would not be much faster than classic. 2. Finicky-ness with three SDRAM modules is a non-issue for OEM's. I believe the problem has to do with the number of banks of SDRAM and OEM's can avoid using SDRAM that can't be upgraded to three sockets. 3. The comment about instability above 1 GHz is suspect, read this from Anandtech: Getting Socket-A motherboards to work at 1GHz and above is quite tricky according to the motherboard manufacturers we spoke with. Iwill was convinced that unless a Socket-A motherboard is very well designed, getting 1.1GHz and faster Thunderbird CPUs to work will be a difficult task. But then later on in the article we read that Iwill is the only motherboard manufacturer who will get ALi chipsets. IWill can hardly be trusted as the spokesman for mobo manufacturers. 4. The 266 MHz FSB "problem" is irrelevant -- AMD has said the bus speed won't go up until Mustang. 5. First production of VIA silicon has never worked 100% -- recall that Apollo PRO 133A (Uh, whats the "A" for), MVP3 ("CE" vs "CD" versions), VP2, etc all had problems. Typically it took VIA 2 months to clean up the problems. That should be just in time for the 1.2 GHz speed grade. PS - AMD had better be helping ALi and SiS big-time. There's nothing better than competition to improve products. Petz