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To: TigerPaw who wrote (21276)	6/23/2000 10:56:00 AM
From: Fangorn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

TP, re >I never see proposals to reform the public schools.< My "friend" has the same selective vision as you. See what you want and ignore the rest. In him it is infuriating, in you it is just sad.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (21276)	6/23/2000 11:16:00 AM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

If you consider fragmentation unacceptable then what you wind up with is the one size fits all white bread failure you have now.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (21276)	6/23/2000 12:18:00 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

The problem I see with the debate over education, is that I never see proposals to reform the public schools. The voucher programs are all designed to fragment the schools systems. The secular private schools around my parts don't seem to call for vouchers, I think they use high tuition as a selection criteria. It's only the religous schools that want a subsidy. That's one of the problems, they have been "reforming" schools (essentially successful) for the last 40 years and watching them decline. We have a "Lemon Law" here for autos that are unable to be "fixed" after repeated visits to the dealer. We get our money back and buy another car that is worthy of a guarantee. Education is just another "product" or "service" and if it's found defective you want reparations or the reasonable choice of vouchers. You said you moved to give your children a better educational choice or environment. And if you can't move?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (21276)	6/23/2000 12:27:00 PM
From: Fangorn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

TP, I said >A "friend" who is a Government School teacher considers it a personal insult when I suggest that vouchers, charter schools, results testing, etc. might be more effective in improving Government School results than more funding would be.< Your response... >The problem I see with the debate over education, is that I never see proposals to reform the public schools. < Does your brain freeze when you encounter the word "vouchers" or is it your contention that "charter schools, results testing, etc." are NOT proposals to reform Government Schools? Also see Message 13934707 I repeat... My "friend" has the same selective vision as you. See what you want and ignore the rest. In him it is infuriating, in you it is just sad.