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To: CharleyMike who wrote (83553)	7/8/2000 12:21:50 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

Your post reminds me of my train of thought - the appeals process is very lengthy, for good reason, because we don't want to execute innocent people. I don't know how long it takes on average, but I know it takes years, maybe ten years? What I don't understand is why we don't just leave them locked up forever. The length of time between act and execution is so long that I doubt the fear of execution acts as much of a disincentive, more than imprisonment, I mean. I believe it's much more likely to be incarcerated than executed if one commits murder, so murderers fear, if they fear anything, being locked up forever. No one really thinks they are going to die, do they? So after this person has languished in jail for a decade, he is executed for something that is so remote in time that he has forgotten it, not to mention the fact that people want to deny and suppress things they are ashamed of. The only people who remember anymore are the families and friends of the victims. Truly, what do they get? Retribution. For truly heinous crimes, the state demonstrates its abhorrence by eliminating the wrong-doer. That's really what the death penalty is for. And one's reaction to the death penalty, in my opinion, depends on whether you think that the state should be in the business of retribution.

To: CharleyMike who wrote (83553)	7/8/2000 1:58:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Respond to of 108807

I suppose your "logic" extends to the 13 men saved from execution by an extra-ordinary effort made, in one case, by students in high school civics class, and in the others by a Journalism professor and some of his students at NWU in Evanston, Illinois? Too bad they were not part of the flawed justice system --a system which would have most definitely executed those innocents except for efforts outside the system. And if they had been executed, who would have re-opened their case after the fact? No one. And you would be sitting where you are now smugly asserting (based on groundless assumption) that "no innocents have been executed." Yet, those who have exhausted all avenues of appeal, numerous times, and have their sentences consistently affirmed by all reviewers ~ should expect to see their sentences carried out.

To: CharleyMike who wrote (83553)	7/8/2000 7:08:57 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Respond to of 108807

I couldn't figure out where to post this, so I put it on the Bush thread where they are also talking about the death penalty. Message 14014162 The yosemite murders had police, fbi etc. chasing after the wrong guys and if you read the press of the time they were all but convicted - even to the point of confessing. Watching this unfold really opened my eyes to the validity of "evidence". Had Cory Stayner not killed another innocent victim, I believe these guys would have taken the rap. They were not involved.