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To: The Philosopher who wrote (83687)	7/12/2000 8:04:41 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Chris, you see quite clearly that public schools are actually quite impossible in the United States, Similarly, subsidies to student in private schools (with religious values) are equally impossible. It is unfortunate. We are among the most illiterate rich countries in the world. Most restrictions on our schools will only make us more illiterate. I remember being brainwashed in elementary and high school by Christian teachers. I think my hostility to religion in general is a result of this treatment. At least in college we were permitted to argue. But we had compulsory chapel (it was a private school).

To: The Philosopher who wrote (83687)	7/12/2000 8:06:57 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

those people whose values arise from a belief in God are prohibited from being involved in the value setting process But are they, really? My impression is that they are welcome to add their values to the mix, as long as they don't try to slip their God in with the values.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (83687)	7/13/2000 11:01:30 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I am too late! Steven has already answered this-- this happens to me all the time. X and Kholt post great answers on the Elian thread while I am still writing. It's very frustrating. It seems simple to me though- no one is prohibited at all from input- I wonder why you have found it so? Was there a debate about Bobby has Two Fathers or sex ed or one of those horrid New Age self-esteem garbagey programs? It just has to be done without connecting it to the source of your values. You can't say we need to teach kids not to steal because God said so. We probably have the opposite problem here in Texas. I know I've written about how I watched nonplussed as our football team knelt as a group after a playoff game in the middle of the field, led by their captain, and prayed. And how the coaches wear t-shirts that they have changed the message on. I can't remember what it was- but it was something like- instead of DO it, they added DO it for HIm, or Run for Him instead of Run to Win. ANd at the Athletic Banquet, one of the coaches said that the Athlete of the Year deserved to win because he was a fine Christian boy. As CW asked "Does that mean Boog (his Moslem friend)was disqualified?" Nonreligious people aren't opposing God, they are following the law. A lot of my Christian friends feel very strongly about this also. Part of it may be though is that it is much more of a problem in the Bible Belt than elsewhere.