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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (8501)	7/13/2000 10:35:26 PM
From: gamesmistress	Respond to of 9127

Michael, many of us "bright Americans" recognize a spin when we see one. Yours, for instance. It's late, and I'm on vacation anyway, so suffice it to say your approach makes as much sense as the CANF apparently thinking that theirs is only an "image problem", to be solved by hiring the right PR guys to sell their story to the poor, ignorant American public.

To: greenspirit who wrote (8501)	7/13/2000 11:19:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

Is there any evidence that he actually was drugged? I was under the impression that this was unconfirmed. Clinton and Reno feared the 11th circuit courts ruling. Further, they realized if the court did rule against them and for the asylum request There just isn't any reason for that. If the court ruled against them all they have to do is appeal to a higher court, and sooner or later one of them would acknowledge the incontestable, apolitical, legal fact that a US court has no jurisdiction over the custody or disposition of an illegal alien. I don't know how many times that has to be repeated. And even if the court could have ordered the asylum petition to be heard, who would hear the petition? The INS, of course. I think that what happened is that somebody looked at the direction the situation was taking, and said something like "we are going to have to do this sooner or later, let's do it now and finish it". Politically this just couldn't happen. Why not? What overwhelming political stake did Clinton and Reno have in the outcome? I don't see any. So they spun and spun the stories painting the "Miami relatives" and "Miami Cuban Americans" as evil thugs. I think the Miami leadership did that themselves. Their own words and actions did that very convincingly. Ironic: they finally got the spotlight, and they shot themselves in the foot with it.

To: greenspirit who wrote (8501)	7/13/2000 11:19:14 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 9127

I hadn't seen this when I posted my response. ANd truthfully, I'm very glad I didn't. Captured and drugged into submission? How about keeping a boy from his father, making him political fodder for the Cuban exile machine, and leaving him in a household that was showing severe signs of emotional deterioration? Exggeration? No more than what you just wrote. You've gone into NewsMax fantasyland here. You're ignoring anything that logically rebuts this baseless scenario. The courts had given them no reason to fear an opposing decision at all. And public opinion was swaying toward Elian's return to his father. I think you're wrong, but at least I am open enough to admit that I don't have the answers. You seem to have completely bought into a scenario, moved the pieces the way you want them to fit, and said- there! THAT's the truth! ANd you just don't HAVE the truth- none of us does and probably never will.