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To: Krowbar who wrote (83884)	7/15/2000 10:06:40 AM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Religion contributed no knowledge to the builders It provided the inspiration and fired the imagination enough to undertake enormous projects such as cathedral building. Those were 200 year endeavors! What modern edifice even comes close to the scale of Chartres? You can also thank the Church for giving us the modern university and trade unions, which are modeled after the old guilds. Righteous Christians burned priceless books at Alexandria and other places which represented the accumulated knowledge up until that time. Nonsense, another truism. There were several great libraries of antiquity, all the written word was not deposited in one place. And we should remember that Alexandria was under siege for years. Twice Byzantine generals fought their way to the city gates, but the Emir Amrou Ibn el-Ass drove them back. He vowed to destroy the city before he would allow it to be taken. He had its towers pulled down and ordered much of the city wall to be destroyed. It is true he restrained his men when they seemed bent on pillaging, but in the fog of war, who can say who really set the torch to the building? If it was started by Christians, it was most likely the Monophysites, a small and heretical bunch. Name one prominent white church leader that immediately took the side of the blacks. Dorothy Day, who founded the Catholic Worker Movement (and also worked in the suffragette movement) Philip and Daniel Berrigan, and countless priests and nuns who are not famous. You are too hung up on Protestants, Del.

To: Krowbar who wrote (83884)	7/15/2000 11:15:08 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Historians have never determined the precise cause of the fire at Alexandria, but the only religion that ever stood accused of burning the library was Islam. The Dark Ages occurred because of the decay of the Roman Empire, and the depredations of groups like the Vikings. The Byzantine Empire, which was just as Christian, remained a bastion of ancient learning, although, be it said, of little progress. Many white church leaders, like Sloan Coffin at Yale, supported the civil rights movement, but the main thing is that it flourished in the black churches. Really, Del, there is enough to accuse Christianity of without making up things........