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To: Neocon who wrote (84284)	7/27/2000 5:22:42 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I wasn't arguing that we shouldn't have done it. I believe MacAurthur's estimates of 1 million people to take Japan were probably accurate. But the 2 nukes set the stage. There were consequences down stream. This causal chain goes up the stream of time too. Nazi persecution of the Jews caused the Jewish scientists to come here and build the bomb. They would have had it if they didn't start killing Jews. Everyone must take responsibility for their actions. Sometimes it's a mixed bag. I'm arguing that the Cold War and the Falling of the Berlin wall are traceable to our actions. We created a problem. We ended it. Were there other ways? We don't know because we didn't try to find them. The point is that this is a scalable technology. Explosives aren't. That we used them is undeniable. If you weren't living here, you weren't sure YOU weren't going to be next. China, N. Korea, Russia all had to live with this fear until the Ruskies created their own. After that, everyone who wasn't a Russian or an American stood naked hoping that our planetary-scale p#ssing match didn't go critical. I was a kid when the Cuban Missle Crisis played out and I remember my parents be scared sh#tless that all out nuclear war was imminent. So even Americans were sh#tting themselves over their own creations. The best argument we can make is "better us than them" - a weak argument from a moral point of view. We certainly have skeletons in our closet that make our graces questionable.

To: Neocon who wrote (84284)	7/27/2000 7:13:19 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

<<The damage done by each atomic bomb was less than that done by previous strategic bombing with incendiary bombs, >> I had lunch several times with the Officer in Charge of the damage calculations caused by the nukes. No, he didn't go nuts but became wealthy in the seed business. He was in Pearl and had maps of the target cities. After bombing planes went in to report what had been hit. Sam's Shirt Shop, ACME munitions factory.... Report after report came in with wide spread targets gone. He was wondering what had happened when one pilot said the whole city was gone.