To: Dan3 who wrote (106315 ) 7/29/2000 12:18:06 PM From: semiconeng Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894 Which seems to imply that a year from now Willamette will not be an established product. Which is pretty much the point I was trying to make. When Intel moved to the .35 process they went with Pentium, not 486. When they moved to .18 they went with an on die L2 Deschutes core, at at time when katmai still had L2 off die. They didn't start out with year old technology. That's not true at all. The Pentium was introduced on 0.8u technology, and was already well established by the time 0.35u technology was introduced. Nice try at re-writing history Dan. Here is the original timeline: MARCH/1993. Intel introduces the Pentium processor. It uses 32-bit registers, with a 64-bit data bus, giving it an address space of 4 GB. It incorporates 3.1 million transistors, using 0.8-micron BiCMOS technology. Speeds are 60-MHz (100 MIPS) and 66-MHz (112 MIPS). Prices are US$878 (60-MHz) and US$964 (66-MHz). burks.bton.ac.uk And as I have already stated IT WAS NOT DESCHUTES that intel rolled out the 0.18u process with, it was DIXON as verified here at Microprocessor Report:chipanalyst.com Intel Rolls Out 0.18-Micron Dixon Raising the bar for AMD, Intel has announced availability of a 400-MHz 0.18-micron version of its Mobile Pentium II (Dixon). Although the part is the first shipping 0.18-micron microprocessor from any company,.... Regardless, if the P4 is supposed to be a real part this fall, I think it is ominous that Intel has recently changed it plans and now expects to be using substantial portions of next year's leading edge process to produce PIIIs. And you seem to think that every time intel changes it's mind, it indicates a problem. Typical thinking of an AMD Fan/Intel Critic. You and Mike Magee would get along just fine.If you don't think that's a problem, then don't worry about it. It could be they're more worried about chipsets/motherboards for P4 than anything else. Though that wouldn't be a great sign either. You'd think they could get a motherboard/chipset out given wherever they are now plus another full year.Dan And who says they won't....? You...? The Register....? Oh yeah, there's a real "unbiased" opinion of where intel is going...... Not. SemiconEng