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To: dmf who wrote (106849)	8/3/2000 12:50:19 PM
From: Richard Habib	Respond to of 186894

OT - FWIW, April 2000 issue of SciAmer notes in the "By the Numbers" section that women employment in Computer/Math peaked at about 35% about 1991 and has since declined to about 30%. It's reasonable to assume that this closely mirrors women receiving degrees in math/computer sciences with a time lag built in. They noted that women degrees in those fields declined until 1997 when they began to rise moderately. This may indicate that the 30% penetration in the field is about to begin a modest rise again. They went on to note that the declining % in the field was due in part to a huge surge of men into the field as salaries rose. They also note that another factor for the decline may be the conflict between the long hours common in the industry and family responsibilities. The data was from the Census so I expect you could find more data there. Rich

To: dmf who wrote (106849)	8/3/2000 12:54:49 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

dmf - re: "Even total enrollment of female students isn't up to 50%. Takes time to change, doesn't it? " Thanks for the input on MIT female statistics. I raised this question because my own experience was one that had 7 (SEVEN) females in my Freshmen class - which was about 625 total in size. Paul

To: dmf who wrote (106849)	8/3/2000 8:48:53 PM
From: astrophysics	Respond to of 186894

Not good statistics, but... (If you really wanted to nearly all this was reported in the tech at some time in the latter half of the 90's (and is therefore on line at tech.mit.edu). Some may have been from tech talk, which is not as easily seachable, but can be found off the mit homepage. ) > A hundred years ago, MIT had 58 female students. In 2000, the Institute has 1,768 female undergraduates (41 percent of the total) and 1,519 graduate students who are women (27 percent). In astronomy, the AAS has recently been doing a pretty extensive investigation of what's happening with women (the STATUS reports, aas.org ). Basically, women are closing in on equal percentage at undergraduate level, although the rate is slowing (normal, since the gap is smaller). However, at each step of the ladder to an academic career, they lose some. Graduate school, post-docs, assitant profs, full profs.... I seem to remember that presently after grad school is the most significant drop. > These numbers are for the entire Institute and not just engineering students. They are enrollment numbers, not degrees granted. There are large differences in the majors. Physics and math are among those with the least women, but the percentage is generally clearly increasing, at least at the undergraduate level. The absolute number has less obvious of a trend. Biology has (or at least had a few years ago) over 50% women. Interestingly CS once got very close to 50% (some statistics were above most were slightly below) several years ago, but has started declining again. However, since the overall number of women on campus increased, it's likely that they've started filling in other programs, such as electrical engineering, which I beleive still has a smaller percentage of women but is still growing rather than shrinking. > Still, MIT works to make each and every student succeed. At least when I was there there was no significant difference between overall graduatation rates of men and women, although there were some significant statistics for underrepresented minorities versus others. > Even total enrollment of female students isn't up to 50%. > > Takes time to change, doesn't it? And the young women have to want to change it. I really doubt many people think, "It would be great if I went into such-and-such a field, so I could raise the percentage of women."