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To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (2327)8/11/2000 12:58:19 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Respond to of 4155
 
Wall ST. Jour:Irwin Jacobs Takes on Big Time CNC SHORTY FIshing???

Famous " CNC Short Liquidator "

Irv, The Liquidator Jacobs


takes on fishing,

TA

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Angling for Tie-Ins, Irwin Jacobs
Took Up Big-Time Bass Fishing


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By ANN ZIMMERMAN

Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

For a year, financier Irwin Jacobs stalked Wal-Mart president Lee Scott.
Almost daily, the Minneapolis deal maker phoned at 6:20 a.m.,
before Mr. Scott's secretary had arrived at his Bentonville, Ark., office.
"One day I said, 'Irwin, you don't think I come to work
this early just to talk to you?' " Mr. Scott recalls.
Mr. Jacobs, who in the 1980s attempted hostile takeovers
of Disney and ITT,
merely wanted to talk about fishing. Which is to say, he
wanted Wal-Mart
to sponsor a bass-fishing tournament tied in to selling
boats made by Genmar Holdings, a company Mr. Jacobs owns.
Wal-Mart, the world's biggest retailer, had never lent its
name to a sporting event.
But Mr. Scott ultimately said yes. "It was either that or
join the witness-protection program," Mr. Scott says.

Now four years into its bass-fishing experience, the
seven-event Wal-Mart FLW Tour
(named for bass-boat pioneer Forest L. Wood) has put the imprint of Mr. Jacobs's personality
on what has over the years become a flashy, modern sport. With the fat purses,
big sponsors and TV exposure have come merchandise mania, cranky fishermen a
nd a bitter rift between Mr. Jacobs's new league and an existing organization that had
been in the background for many years.
Now, deciding just what hat to wear on the winner's stand is a $10,000 question.

interactive.wsj.com
Irwin Jacobs


Once Mr. Jacobs, now 59 years old, had Wal-Mart on board, a dozen
other corporate sponsors signed up. Kellogg Co., Visa USA Inc.,
Energizer Holdings Inc., Timex Corp., among others, now tattoo their logos,
Nascar-style, on the sides of $35,000 bass boats made by Ranger, a Jacobs brand.

Two years ago, a professional bass fisherman -- the FLW Tour's Angler of the Year --
got his picture on the front of a Wheaties box.
Fast-paced hour-long televised
competitions are the most popular broadcasts on ESPN2, a Disney Co. cable channel.
Chinese TV has picked up the FLW tour-show as the first U.S. offering on CSBN, its new sports network.

Wal-Mart has used its perch to sell stuff -- poles , tackle boxes, life preservers, coolers.
Every tournament includes a parade of boats, with police escorts, from a Wal-Mart store
to a lake somewhere and back. Tournament fish weigh-ins are held in Wal-Mart parking lots
and broadcast live to all 2,500 Wal-Mart stores.

At a June tournament in Florence, Ala., about 6,000 people flocked to a big tent pitched
outside Wal-Mart. At the Poulan/Weed Eater booth, a power-saw virtuoso transformed
a tree stump into an eagle grasping a bass in its talons. Nearby, "Butter Bob" Beedle,
Land O' Lakes Inc. national accounts manager for Wal-Mart, handed out his company's new
cheddar-cheese squares and had kids decorate fish-shaped cookies. Fuji Photo Film Co.
converted a portable pool into a pond stocked with trout and snapped pictures of children catching their first fish.


Wal-Mart processes that film free and then hangs the snapshots near

FLW Tour merchandise in a heavily trafficked area near cash registers that is known as "action alley."
The event increased the Florence store's sales by 40% that week.
"It was the right kind of sport for us -- wholesome and something families do together,"
says Mr. Scott, Wal-Mart's president.

Yet with the big money and TV exposure comes the kind of complaining typical of big-time sports,
with some fisherman longing for the days when fishing was a tranquil, solitary pursuit.
Anglers chafe at how Operation Bass, the Jacobs company that organizes the tournaments,
dictates what logos can be worn at televised weigh-ins.
The winner, for example, gets a $10,000 bonus from the sponsor in whose boat he fishes --
but only if he wears its logo-festooned shirt and hat at the weigh-in.

At the Florence tournament, Rick Clunn won $200,000 by catching five fish
(weighing 15 pounds, 11 ounces in total), but he forfeited the $10,000 he
would have been paid by Timex because he felt it would slight Tracker Boats,
which has supported his career for a decade but isn't a tournament sponsor

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interactive.wsj.com
Rick Clunn

Instead, Mr. Clunn, who won three of the first six FLW Tour events this year
-- and more than $500,000 in prize money altogether -- appeared logo-free.
"I don't enjoy dressing up like a Mexican Army general with all the patches,"
says Mr. Clunn, a 54-year-old martial-arts expert who left his computer-systems job
in Houston 27 years ago to become a professional bass fisherman.

Mr. Jacobs says his dress code is lenient: When the TV cameras are rolling,
he asks only that anglers not wear competitors' logos. "I'm not going to pay
a million dollars in a Wal-Mart parking lot to a guy in a Kmart hat," Mr. Jacobs says.

Regulars on the tour have had to learn how to act for TV cameras.
No tobacco, no white shirts, and no sunglasses while being interviewed.
The last day of competition, when the field has been winnowed to five finalists,
each angler wears a microphone and is followed in another boat by a camera crew.
Earlier this year, a competitor named David Dudley fell into the water as he turned to look at the camera.
"I want to see their personalities," says Jerry McKinnis, host for 37 years of the syndicated TV show
"The Fishin' Hole" and producer of the FLW Tour programs on ESPN.
"Let us have it all. All this stuff about fishermen and their secrets is all B.S."

With Operation Bass events getting lots of attention and lucrative support,
the 32-year-old Bass Anglers Sportsman Society Inc., a venerated fishing
organization that promotes its own tournaments, decided to jazz up the sport in its own way.

Last August, B.A.S.S. launched World Championship Fishing, a bass-fishing and
boat-racing competition that has grown into a five-event series. Anglers fish in the
morning, then spend the afternoon racing their bass boats around an obstacle course.
The events draw coverage on Fox Sports Net's cable operation.


This past spring, Ranger Boats accused WCF of "promoting unsafe boating practices"
and announced it had ceased negotiations to renew its sponsorship of B.A.S.S. tournaments.
B.A.S.S. then wrote its 600,000 members, accusing Mr. Jacobs of
being interested only in furthering his own league -- and the sale of his boats.
Wal-Mart, meanwhile, added its sponsorship to a second-string Operation Bass tour called
the EverStart Series, named for Wal-Mart's store-brand battery. And in May this year,
the company announced it would take over a 119-event amateur bass-fishing series that
had been sponsored for 17 years by Red Man chewing tobacco.

About 55 million people fish in the U.S., more than play tennis and golf combined,
according to the National Sporting Goods Association. Wal-Mart now has asked
Operation Bass to set up fishing clubs for kids. And Mr. Jacobs has agreed to stage
Wal-Mart parking-lot weigh-ins at as many tournaments as possible next year,
even though these fairs usually require 20 tractor-trailers of equipment.
"We need to do more," Mr. Jacobs says. "This is Barnum & Bailey coming to town."



To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (2327)8/11/2000 8:45:55 PM
From: Kevin Podsiadlik  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4155
 
One thing you need to understand about Gary Smith's trading through charting methodology. Right up front, he goes in knowing that 30-40% of his trades are going to be losers. Read that as: even knowing NOTHING about the issues surrounding CNC, there is a priori a chance of 30-40% that CNC will breach the 50-day MDA and stop out anyone who makes that trade. Gary makes money by batting better than .500 on his calls, and not getting hurt worse by his losing trades than he profits from his winners.

My point to you is that Gary's calls can be very wrong at times, and that is something you have to know going in.

Here's a rather spectacular example, from November 5 of last year, in a stock I happened be short at the time:

thestreet.com

"But God Almighty, have you seen what's happened since?"

photos.yahoo.com

I'm outta here, see ya in a week!



To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (2327)8/12/2000 3:02:09 PM
From: Tunica Albuginea  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4155
 
8/12/00 – NEWS and REVIEW of CNC Articles and POSTS

REUTERS:"Liquidator" Jacobs bets on insurer's turnaround

biz.yahoo.com

Friday August 11, 6:01 pm Eastern Time

"Liquidator" Jacobs bets on insurer's turnaround

Message 14204430

This post from YHOO: Tritel sold. CNC may be able to seel shares now?

messages.yahoo.com

Did anyone notice Tritel?                                        8/12/00 1:19 am
Closed up at 28 15/16 on a late buying surge.
CNC free to sell their shares now that merger has been approved?
by: LAZ_BROKER (M/Denver CO)


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August 11, 2000: Dow Jones News: Conseco Preferred gains in NYSE

Message 14204249

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August 11, 2000: Dow Jones News: CNC FLEXIBLE PORTFOLIO MUTUAL FUNDS TOP PERFORMANCE Message 14204221

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GABELLI FUND UP 23% has 9% of position in CNC:

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PROFIT VALUE FUND: 4 star Morningstar rating.
In last 3 months has added new position in Conseco,
to make in 8th largest position;
position similar in size to its holding in Berkshire.

messages.yahoo.com


TA@CNCRestructuringProgram.com

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CNC Balance Sheet
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MAJOR RECENT ARTICLES ON CNC
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Recent news:

moneynet.com@NEWS-P2&Index=1&HeadlineURL=../News/NewsHeadlines.asp&DISABLE_FORM=&NAVSVC=News\Company

Aug 9 (Reuters) - Conseco Finance, fixed final terms for its 2000-4 series $1.2 billion nine-tranche asset-backed bond launched on August 4.

Rating Aaa/AAA/AAA

ragingbull.altavista.com

Aug. 9,: A consortium of eight insurance companies has completed a $40.5 million investment in affordable-housing projects across the state, the first test of an effort to get insurers to voluntarily invest in community development.
ragingbull.altavista.com

Aug. 4, 2000: Conseco prices senior classes of $1.2 bln ABS deal favorably

ragingbull.altavista.com
Aug. 4, 2000:Conseco Capital Management Names New Co-Portfolio Managers for Conseco High Yield Fund

ragingbull.altavista.com
Aug. 4, 2000: Dow Jones Newswires
Conseco Promotes From Within After High-Yield Exodus

7/27/00 BUSINESS WIRE:
CONSECO Announces Restructuring Program ,Parts I, II, III & IV , from RB
ragingbull.altavista.com

quicken.com

DOW JONES NEWSWIRE 7/27/00:COMPLETE EPS REPORT
1: dowjones.work.com

2: dowjones.work.com

3: dowjones.work.com

7/24/00 BLOOMBERG: WENDT GETS RID OF LEOPARD CHAIR AND
.......PROTECTS SHAREHOLDER EQUITY:

quote.bloomberg.com


. 7/19/2000 WENDT HIRES Ex-GE CRISIS TEAM

biz.yahoo.com

7/12/2000 20 MILLION PAID TO HIRE WENDT
Wendt gets 45 mill less than if he had stayed at the Golf Course and got paid
by GE to non - compete and do nothing. GE gets 10 mill CNC shares,
will make another killing.

messages.yahoo.com

6/30/2000 WENDT BACK FROM HONEYMOON
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VARIOUS OTHER ISSUES IN CNC:
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ISSUE OF PRODUCING A GIANT SHORT SQUEEZE:
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First, to effect a short squeeze in CNC and see a giant squirt
of cash upwards in your CNC stock:
a) ask your broker to put the stock in Street name, or
b) ask your broker to put a sell price “ good till cancelled “
at let’s say $40 or $50. That will remove it from the short pool..
c) or simply ask him to restrict it, ie you don’t want to have it
loaned out for shorting.

Aug: 11, 2000:REUTERS: "Liquidator" Jacobs bets on insurer's turnaround
biz.yahoo.com

Message 14172703
CNC in WORTH Magazine via Maverick Capital's Hedge Fund Manager - Lee Ainslie. Ainslie is a noted short seller who has averaged 24.8% after fees with $5B under management. He has covered his CNC position: “ I am not going to go
Against somebody of Wendt’s reputation “.

8-1-00 Star Tribune: Neal St. Anthony/On Business:
Jacobs roars, short sellers yawn
startribune.com

7/31/00 J.J. CRAMER FROM TheStreetCom editorializes: “ A great Idea !!!”
ragingbull.altavista.com

7/30/00 Indianapolis Star :Conseco investor's ad aims to help stock
. starnews.com

. 7/29/00 Star Tribune:CNC earnings report and Irwin Jacobs Short Squeeze bid
ragingbull.altavista.com

7/27/00 IRWIN JACOBS WANTS TO PRODUCE A SHORT SQUEEZE.
……….He puts this Ad in WallStJ. then other papers
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streetmonkey.com

An introductory song about short covering:

amazon.com

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Meanwhile, CURRENT SHORT INTEREST as of 7/22/2000 is 64,000,000 shares
messages.yahoo.com

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Shorting Rules
ragingbull.altavista.com


BOOKS ON SHORTING
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(If any one wants to ahead and short some more and make
Mr.Wendt’s Day when the big squeezarooo comes along).
capatcolumbia.com

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” Bad “ Shorting Advice
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“Mr. Pink's Picks: selected event-driven value investments “
in SI Thread, by Mr. P$nk Esq.
Message 14187856

MISCELLANEOUS SHORTING
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CNC Stock Analysis of the day by paulthebigfinn at YAHOO board

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7/28/00 :ISSUE of FABER CNBC REPORT & CONTROVERSY
( ie that Wendt is going to dilute shareholder equity ).
ragingbull.altavista.com

7/29/00 reply by ta to FABER Report: CNBC FABER is either LYING or MISINFORMED
messages.yahoo.com

7/24/00 Cnet : ''We're not going to be diluting shareholder value at ridiculously low prices,'' Wndt said.
cnetinvestor.com

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7/31/00 FABER CORRECTS HIMSELF: “ CNC WILL N O T ISSUE ANY N E W EQUITY “.
boards.cnbc.com

Thank you Mr. FABER.

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ISSUE OF CNC BANKRUPTCY 7/22/2000
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Part I
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Part II
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. ISSUE OF MR.T.LEE'S PREFERRED STOCK
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ISSUE of VALUE of PREFERRED STOCK
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BROKERS’ and ANALYSTS ‘ OPINION
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8/10/2000Gary Smith from REALMONEY.COM at The StreetCom
puts a buy on CNC with a stop at 7.
Anyway, here are a few charts to look at as you sip your morning Cafe Yukon:
thestreet.com

ragingbull.altavista.com

thestreet.com

8/5/00 S & P raises Outlook to highest, 5 ( on scale 1 to 5 )
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7/30/00 STANDARD AND POOR UPGRADES CNC TO 4 STARS FROM 3 STARS
Message 14133330

Merrill Lynch
7/31/00 messages.yahoo.com

.7/26/00 LEHMAN MAINTAINS OUTPERORM II ON CNC
Message 14109720

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OVERVIEW of CONSECO INSURANCE RATINGS

conseco.com

RATING AGENCIES , MOODY’S, S & P etc
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Aug. 11. 2000:Conseco 2000-4 $1.2B Manufactured Hsg Contract P-T Rtd By Fitch
Message 14200638
biz.yahoo.com

Aug. 11, 2000: Fitch Downgrades Conseco Rtgs
biz.yahoo.com
Message 14200576

S & P
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www2.marketwatch.com
ragingbull.altavista.com
S&P cuts Conseco Fin status
Aug. 8, 2000--3:18 pm - By Chris Kraeuter
Conseco Finance's credit rating status was revised to "negative" from "developing" by Standard & Poor's. According to a S&P statement, S&P "believes Conseco Finance's creditworthiness is severely limited by a lack of funding flexibility and aggressive leverage." Also, S&P cited its belief that the finance unit will not be sold to a "higher-rated" entity in the foreseeable future. Conseco Finance's ratings were placed on "developing" on March 31. Conseco's (CNC: news, msgs) ratings status was placed on "negative" on April 7. Currently, Conseco shares are down 1/16 to 7 7/8 on volume of 2.8 million shares.

ragingbull.altavista.com
Comment from RB poster on above S & P reports:

messages.yahoo.com
8/9/00 1:58:00 PM : Business WireS&P Places Various Green Tree Cert Rtgs on Watch Neg
The revision in the CreditWatch status reflects the increasing likelihood that Conseco Finance will not be sold to a higher-rated entity in the foreseeable future.

ragingbull.altavista.com
Comment from RB poster on above S & P reports:

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MOODY’S
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quote.bloomberg.com
. While Moody's said it expects the company and its bank lenders to reach a satisfactory agreement, it said the details of such an agreement and the effects on Conseco's operations remain uncertain.
moodys.com
New York, June 30, 2000 -- Moody's Investors Service has downgraded the credit ratings of Conseco, Inc. and its affiliates (senior debt rating to Ba3 from Ba1).

moodys.com
New York, April 20, 2000 -- Moody's Investors Service lowered the senior unsecured debt ratings of Conseco, Inc. and Conseco Finance to Ba1 from Baa3.


MORNINGSTAR/FINANCIAL
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Morningstar grades CNC a B-, for financial health, just slightly below average for insurance industry and average for universe of stocks.

DALBAR Insurance Rating Web site
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Part 1
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Part 2
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LAWSUITS ON COMPANY BASHERS
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TA’s EXCELLENT , I say, EXCELLENT, REVIEW OF INTERNET LAWSUITS

Message 14157877

Friday August 4, H-Quotient, Inc., Files Suit Against Alleged Stock Manipulators

Message 14173025

The most recent Lawsuit won by Biometrix

Message 14158321

And just before that New subpoenas on the way

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CNC CHART & Technical Analysis
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STOCKCHARTS

stockcharts.com[L,A]DCCLYYMY[DC][PB10!B20!B30!B50!F][VC60][IUH14,3!LI14,3!LC20!LK14!LA12,26,9]

SI
siliconinvestor.com

Money Flow Stats by Softechie
Aug 8, 3000 : Message 14184790

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NEGATIVE ARTICLES ON CNC
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7/27/00 TheStreetCom: Herb's Hotline: Oversight by Conseco?
thestreet.com

7/10/00 TheStreetCom: Conseco Sets Rich Pay Package for New CEO, By Peter Eavis Message 14023449

7/11/00 Herb's Hotline: Will These Conseco Capers Never Cease?
By Herb Greenberg thestreet.com

&/14/00 Bloomberg :Conseco Outdoes Itself in Piling Gifts on Wendt:
by Graef Crystal
ragingbull.altavista.com

7/31/00 Warburg initiates coverage with hold;
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7/31/00WSJ Colin Devine from Smith Barney is worried about CNC
messages.yahoo.com
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MAGAZINE ARTICLES ON GARY WENDT
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Aug. 7, 2000 :BUSINESS WEEK
ragingbull.altavista.com

My comments on Business Week Article: Music…Music…Music..
Message 14127197

1997 FORBES/GECAPITAL: " BLOWING BUBBLES "
forbes.com


. PREVIOUS REVIEW POSTS ON GARY WENDT
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July 5, 2000: REVIEW OF GARY WELCH LIFE AND ARTICLES
Message 13993832

July 10, 2000: W S J : GE Capital’s Wendt: " A BRUTAL NEGOTIATOR "
Message 14023303


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MISCELLANEOUS

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1 ] WHY I INVEST IN CONSECO:

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2 ].What is CNC really worth?
View from a competitor:
starnews.com
A CNC competitor!! ,Mr.Nauert, CEO of Ceres says thatIf sold to the right buyers, Nauert said, Conseco's insurance operations could bring as much as $7 billion. That's the equivalent of $21 a share -- nearly three times Conseco's current stock price.
This is from a competitor, and it is ONLY for the insurance part of CNC!

A note from RB about who Nauert is:
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WENDT'S BUSINESS CARD
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Here's Wendt's business card when he goes to the Bank to ask for money:

I am responsible for 38% of GE's net income:

GE’s profit has come increasingly from Financial Services
That’s GECapital, the company I run, at GE:
businessweek.com

And here how I compare with the giants:
Revenues
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Cash Flow
quicken.com

Net Income
quicken.com

GARY WENDT

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