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To: Claude who wrote (30141)	8/19/2000 2:20:08 PM
From: Thomas Mercer-Hursh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 54805

As for who has J2EE compliant servers - roughly 20 companies The server is only the tip of the iceberg. I was referring to a full implementation of J2EE, including all the development components.

To: Claude who wrote (30141)	8/20/2000 10:35:46 AM
From: Jean M. Gauthier	Respond to of 54805

Exactly.... SUN's value chain is growing quickly... A Hybrid Hardware/Software company gorilla is being born, and all I get are "royalty game" comments. Solaris Unix - Java - CORBA - Jini - MAJC - Serengetti's SPARC III's - Dynamic Domains - Dynamic Partitions - etc etc.. I think people are blind here, and they are missing the point that while SUN makes it bread & butter selling hardware, it is it's software initiatives that is fueling demand of it's products. This is NEW, and it looks a lot like actually the Wintel Duopoly, except that it's for high-end computing & not desktops AND it is being done by 1 COMPANY, not two. a Microsoft-like software division , but for high-end computing (Like VB, Windows NT, Office, BackOffice) but with Java, Solaris 8.x, StarOffice & iPlanet with the only objective of fueling HARDWARE SALES of Boxes & it's SPARC chip architecture (intel)... Now it's only for high-perfoamce computing and backoffice server platforms, and not desktop but it's there anyway.. Tornado ? ... Infrastructure spending on server platforms & server consolidation efforts are accelerating and sun is cleaning up, leaving less focused competitors like IBm & HP in the dust.. Value-Chain ? ... 2.5 million Java programmers, with VB programmers moving over, vendor partnerships like CheckPoint Technologies Firewall shipping pre-installed on sun boxes, industry-wide consortiums like Java 2 & Jini being led by SUN, and conferences like JavaONE grwoing by leaps & bounds.. You tell me ? Royalty game ? Not sure... Take care Jean