To: TimF who wrote (122606 ) 8/21/2000 2:45:39 PM From: combjelly Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 1571338 twfowler, I am not disagreeing with you. As you say, and as I indicated, temperatures have varied widely in the past due to volcanic action alone. It is not clear what affects, if any, human generated CO2 has had on the climate. According to the journal "Nature", as of 5 years ago the only change in temperatures have been on the order of about 0.5 degrees C on the night time average. Now a problem with this figure is it is an average, anectdotal evidence is that we have had greater extremes, winters are often colder, summers are hotter, and that may not shift the average very much. For what it is worth, this is the type of behavior that you expect from a chaotic system that is shifting from one attractor to another, but it also is within the normal variability of the climate. Because we just do not have enough information to make decent models, these things are just shots in the dark. Because of that, we really don't know what is required to shift the balance. Can a butterfly flapping it's wings in Brazil affect the weather in the US? A totally runaway greenhouse effect is probably not possible. As the temperature rises, you would have more deserts in the interior of the continents and more precipitation at the periphery of those continents. In the northern latitudes, you would at some point have more ice and snow. Because an increase in vegetation on the land and phytoplankton in sea would start soaking up the CO2 and the deserts and the ice and snow, not to mention cloud cover, would reflect the solar radiation, things would start to swing back. But these are things that work on the scale of thousands of years. And this does tie in with the price of AMD. A more chaotic system, totally immune to anything like rational modelling, is hard to imagine...