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To: cosmicforce who wrote (85967)	8/21/2000 11:48:02 PM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

What a load. The programs you note hardly fit the definition you assign them. The missile programs were the bedrock of our strategic defense (whether you agree with the strategy is irrelevant). Apollo was a NASA show. In spite of many defense dollars and much support, NASA told the military to take a back seat - to the extent it would not hear of a military officer taking the first step on the moon. Instead, Armstrong, the Jimmy Carter of Astronauts, got the nod. Nike? Beyond my envelope of understanding. Was it a technological sire of Patriot and follow-ons? I don't know. Was it a boondoggle? I don't know. TFX. The bean counter who became SecDef had a wet dream. Like all such, not that great in light of day. I spent the last half of the 70s in LA. Aside from a blip when Jimmy C axed the B-1 and some wobbles at Northrup, good engineers were not flipping burgers. M

To: cosmicforce who wrote (85967)	8/22/2000 12:20:25 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Did I say anything about Roy Cohn? I despise Joseph MacCarthy for having damaged the reputation of anti- communism, just as I honor George Orwell for having enhanced it. Entitlements make up more of the federal budget than military expenditure, and the myth of the "military economy" was exposed when there was a build- down in the early '90s: although some areas were hurt, and it probably exacerbated the shallow recession, the recession lasted only 7 months and the economy took off. Military expenditures were a small part of GNP all along, which is why reductions didn't matter more. That is not socialism. Whether or not there was venality is immaterial. One of the things that amuses me is that people who would never think of second guessing the military commanders of World War II, because they understand that strategy and tactics require study and mountains of information, have no hesitancy in spouting off about the conduct of the Cold War. People who know, in their own fields, that laymen are soon lost, and only experts could conceivably understand the issues, appoint themselves little Napoleons. Oh well.....