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To: Rick Julian who wrote (86025)	8/22/2000 1:55:01 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Ronald Reagan comes to mind. Reagan had a grasp of the basic strategic situation vis a vis the Soviet Union, Carter did not. Reagan provided real leadership for NATO in securing the installation of intermediate range missiles, reversed the decline of the military that Carter allowed to occur, and more vigorously and unapologetically countered Soviet adventurism, especially in Afghanistan and Central America. He challenged the Soviets ideologically as well, as when he called for Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall. Carter preached "small is beautiful", acceptance of American decline, and the limits of economic growth. He helped to create the malaise that he whined about. Reagan called us to achieve great things, to have confidence in ourselves, to strive to improve our lot and lead the world in its advance towards democracy and economic freedom. He was a leader. Carter alienated the Congress, and was perhaps the most ineffectual president, from a legislative standpoint, to hold the office. The only other who has as dismal a record of legislative achievement is Clinton, but Carter was worse, since he could not even get cooperation from his own party. Reagan was one of the most effective presidents legislatively, helped by strong showings at election time, and a professional staff, but himself responsible for many a lobbying effort. Only Lyndon Johnson comes to mind as rivalling him in that respect. I could go on, but I am getting tired, and have strewn other comments about Carter in other posts, so I will move on........

To: Rick Julian who wrote (86025)	8/22/2000 2:00:09 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Do you think that is why Clinton is so vilified, because he is Southern ? Of course he isn't vilified by most people in the center of the political spectrum, who really don't care,- but he IS vilified in a rather strange way by crackpots on the right. Not that he didn't do some bizarre things- but sexcapades is what Washington is all about (LYING too- I remember Iran Contra struck me as very anti-Constitutional and threatening to our Democracy and WAY worse than the Clinton mess.) I watched all of Iran Contra and I was sickened at how our foreign policy was being run, and how EVERYONE involved was lying about it. No one seems to remember those hearings very well, but I do.