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To: tejek who wrote (122938)8/23/2000 3:48:19 AM
From: Joe NYC  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1570377
 
Ted,

There were major cutbacks of those programs under the Reagan/Bush era.....a lot of disabled and mentally incompetent people were put out onto the streets.

No offense, but I am curious where you get these "facts"? Are you making them up as you go?

Actually, the emptying of the mental institutions happened in the 70s, and the people who pushed for de-institutionalization were liberals.

Unfortunatelly, the liberals did not think this through (gee, what a surprise), and what was supposed to replace the mental institutions - community based centers were either not ready or so badly mismanaged that we ended up with the "homeless problem".

I find it curious that for every debacle of the liberalism, a myth is created to assign the blame to Reagan.

The fact is that there were over half a million people in mental institutions in the 60s. Now they are down to about 100,000, while the population grew. The liberals made it impossible to lock up a mental patient against his/her will, no matter how dangerous he is to himself or to others.

So what the liberals did out of their compassion was to release people from mental institution. They were released to the streets, where these people suffered greatly, were abused, and they themselves commited crimes which caused them to end up where they belong - and institution, (but in this case a less appropriate institution - jail), but along the way, the liberals left a trail of murder victims, rape victims, suicide victims etc.

Do you sense a pattern of what I said about liberals in another post? I am sure the liberals felt good about themselves that they "freed" these individuals from the bad institutions. Nothing but a continuous string of tragedies resulted from this action. But that's irrelevant. We always have Reagan to blame.

Joe



To: tejek who wrote (122938)8/23/2000 9:18:19 AM
From: TimF  Respond to of 1570377
 
OT

There is a direct correlation. There were major cutbacks of those programs under the Reagan/Bush era....

Unfortunately very few major cutbacks of any major government programs happened during the Reagan Bush era. Since they failed to even restrain the growth of government spending (let alone cut it back) they ran large deficits even while tax revenue greatly increased.

What specific programs for crippled people do you think Reagan and/or Bush slashed?

Tim



To: tejek who wrote (122938)8/23/2000 9:53:02 AM
From: Bill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1570377
 
OT

Your information is 100% wrong. Bush even signed into law the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).



To: tejek who wrote (122938)8/26/2000 9:21:34 AM
From: Amy J  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1570377
 
Hi Tejek, RE: "cutbacks of those programs under the Reagan/Bush era.....a lot of disabled and mentally incompetent people were put out onto the streets."
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Yes, you are correct.

I was a kid when Reagan did that.

I remember it well.

It was a very painful time for many mentally retarded citizens of this country, and for their families and for their friends.

It was scary.

There's a lot about my background or my family's background you may not realize, but let me share some of it with you, since it directly applies to what you are discussing.

The Republicans were involved in influencing this decision for certain cuts that directly impacted the mentally retarded citizens of this country, that pushed mentally retarded individuals out of group homes and into the streets or cold, faceless institutions.

My (way older) brother was a government Economist during Reagan's era, and he knew first-hand who the political influencers were on this particular decision, as well as the politics around it.

He was very aware of the behind-the-scene politics, who was influencing this decision. He could tell you their names.

Before this decision was made (but after the issue became public), he called my folks about it. He complained that the economic gains weren't significant enough to justify something so inhumane, and were arguably more costly in the long-term.

During that time, I remember visiting "group homes" in our metropolitan area and I'll never forget one girl who was mentally retarded - she was a well-adjusted, happy girl. She was living in a warm, kind and caring group home, and she worked at Goodwill. She was a very gentle person. I remember the image of her face, her emotions, her feelings, her sadness, and her fear, when she was coping with the realities of the Republican cuts, which were putting her out of her home.

Many group homes were cut and closed during this period. It was a very sad time.

I remember it being a time that made me disappointed in humankind. The economics didn't seem to back this decision up when the long-term analysis was factored in.

Speaking about economics related to this area of topic. My sister called me and told me a friend of hers, "David is calling me too much - he called me 5 times in one evening." I asked her, has he always done this? She said no. I asked her when it started. She said a month ago. I asked her if there was anything new in his life that happened in the last month. She said, "yes, his Dad passed away." I said, "oh", and I asked her, is he lonely? She said, no, he's living with his step-mother, who married his Dad two years ago. I asked her if he was scared. She said, "yes, he's very scared they'll put him in an institution when his step-mother dies, because he doesn't know how to cook. He can't live by himself because he doesn't know how to cook." I asked her, "can you teach him how to cook and get his step-mother to help teach him how to cook?" She said, "I don't know." I said, "why don't you ask."

If you haven't already concluded, David is mildly mentally retarded. He's on the edge of being placed in a cold, institution, when his step-mother passes away, because his life-skills are on the borderline - he can't cook, and if he can't cook, he can't live in an independent living arrangement. I couldn't help but speculate how ironic it is to put someone like David in a cold, expensive institution (paid by the gov't), when his problem could easily be solved by teaching him how to cook, so he could work and live independently (funded by his step-mother), with other mentally retarded individuals, and lead a useful life, rather than sitting in a cold, lonely institution, without any sense of freedom nor rights.

If you haven't already concluded yet, my sister too is mentally retarded. She's very accomplished - she lives independently with other mentally retarded individuals. She used to work at Goodwill, but she got so good at her job, that she "graduated" into the real world, and so she is working at this toy store now, which was a big step for her, but she made it and she's very excited about it. She is very proud of the money she earns, her independence, and her own apartment. At the toy store, she helps out kids and their parents. She's a very caring person. She's a great source of strength for her neighbors. She's a very pure, sweet and practical person. She's a very special and valuable person in this world - and she makes the world a better place.

Managing independent living was a big step for her, but she made it. However, unfortunately, my parents just moved into a retirement community, and their transition is difficult for her, which concerns me, in addition to the fact, she's suddenly getting prank phone calls from one of the workers at the toy store (isn't that ironic? the mentally retarded are so kind, but the "normal" people, who are already so advantaged, make it even harder on folks like her?) The other week, I cried so hard for her and released so much pain I wasn't aware that I was holding within myself (I didn't even know, until now, that emotional pain could be felt so physically), so releasing it helped tremendously, and away the pain went, and I realized that I'll make it too : ) - one of those strengthening moments. My Grandpa always said the pain of growth is a gain.

On another topic, I have so many ideas I would like to implement to help the mentally retarded folks have more fulfilling and independent lives: a website so they may be connected to each other (10% of gov't group home residents experience abuse by their providers and this could uncovered by giving the mentally retarded people the power of communication into the community via a website); enablement of ecommerce for them (currently, they have to take difficult buses to get stamps at the post office - when this could be purchased from their home via the Internet if an easy-to-use transaction website service is created for them). I intend to do this, and many other ideas related to this.

Regards,
Amy J PS The girl I mentioned earlier in this post, was my sister's friend. We don't know where she is. The last time I saw her was at her group home, before Reagan's cuts took her away. Everything seemed so dark during Reagan's cuts for the mentally retarded - at least, for those who were aware of what was going on. Contrary to what "normal" people think, they are smart enough to know when their government is pushing them out. It makes them sad.



To: tejek who wrote (122938)8/26/2000 9:31:00 AM
From: Amy J  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1570377
 
OT Hi Tejek, I thought you'd appreciate this...

It's nice to share this on the "feelings" thread.

Thank you for being caring on this topic.

Regards,
Amy J

> > <<
> > > And they call some of these people
> "retarded"...
> > >
> > > A few years ago, at the Seattle Special
> Olympics, nine contestants, all
> > > physically or mentally disabled, assembled at
> the starting line for the 100-yard dash.
> > > >
> > > At the gun, they all started out, not exactly
> in a dash, but with a relish
> > > to run the race to the finish and win. All,
> that is, except one little boy who
> > > stumbled on the asphalt, tumbled over a couple
> of times, and began to cry.
> > > >
> > > The other eight heard the boy cry. They slowed
> down and looked back.
> Then they all turned around and went back. Every
> one of them.
> > > >
> > > One girl with Down's Syndrome bent down and
> kissed him and said: "This
> > > will make it better." Then all nine linked arms
> and walked together to
> the finish line.
> > > >
> > > Everyone in the stadium stood, and the cheering
> went on for several
> > > minutes. People who were there are still
> telling the story.
> > > >
> > > Why? Because deep down we know this one thing:
> What matters in this life
> > > is more than winning for ourselves. What matters
> in this life is helping
> > > others win, even if it means slowing down and
> changing our course.
> > > > >>