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To: jbe who wrote (86408)	8/25/2000 11:13:26 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Only at a disadvantage relative to enjoying the particular songs posted....Since I did not disagree with you about most pop lyrics being undistinguished, I do not think there is a gotcha involved. I merely note that most lyrics, regardless, are undistinguished. On the scanning issue, I may have gone overboard including lieder, but I have spent time studying scores of operas and oratorios, and they frequently do not scan, but require the music to cohere. Since I would consider the lyrics you posted to be doggerel, I suppose there is an element of unbridgeable disagreement left over.......

To: jbe who wrote (86408)	8/25/2000 11:33:10 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

This, from the Britannica, is the sort of observation behind my comment on lieder. I should have said that whether it scans or not is often immaterial, since the music takes precedence over the poetic line: Brahms, more like Schubert than Schumann, assigned prime importance to the voice but at times sacrificed text declamation for balance in musical phrasing. britannica.com

To: jbe who wrote (86408)	8/25/2000 11:38:09 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Have you heard Jerusalem, on Brain Salad Surgery, Emerson Lake and Palmer? And Leonard Cohen? I remember we studied Cohen and Dylan Thomas in one of my poetry classes in college. ELP is rock and Cohen and Thomas are folk- I suppose. I agree with you about doggerel. The words of songs have to make sense to me for me to like them, but "making sense" is probably a very personal thing- some things that make sense to me might not make sense to you- this is NOT true for Mr. X, who rarely even hears the words. I have recently become very fond of the crash test dummies- I read all the lyrics, and I LOVE them. They are profound and silly (at least to me) all at the same time. I like that. Plus I like the music and I love the lead singers voice. I am a classically trained pianist. But I have always been moved by all types of music. English choral music is a big favorite of mine, along with Celtic music, Indian music, Andean music, Cuban music....in fact the only things I've NEVER been really good at appreciating are Chinese music, really modern atonal stuff (like some of Cage, and the guy who dropped the piano in a field and called it music)- and Gangsta Rap. I'm working on appreciating Chinese music. Gangsta Rap I find totally socially irredeemable so I'm NOT working on that. And atonal music creeps me out, so I'm not sure I'm going to work on that either. I like my music to be...musical, that's sort of a minimum.