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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (86689)	8/29/2000 8:48:15 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Neo, I thought you were very clear about there needing to be a balance between self-interest and altruism-- and I don't think you are a poophead. Of course, I don't think Ayn Rand, although many things, was a lady, either. Dan finally brought me the details of the trip. We sail from Dijon on a barge down the Canal de Bourgogne, passing through 48 locks, travelling so slowly that you can walk or bike alongside for exercise (which of course I will do for at least several hours a day to stay in shape for the prodigious winedrinking that is apparently the point of this week). There are several stops at palaces and churches. The "head" of our group is a true oenophile and has ordered what he assures us is a variety of the best Burgundian wines for the trip. There is a boules tournament between the men and women that we hear gets very vicious and involves a great deal of cheating and name-calling, and a disco night, for which I am still searching for polyester to wear. I found Dan a see through black shirt and some gold chains. Now all I have to do is get him to wear it. Maybe the wine will help. Enclosed in our "leader's" organizational letter is this: Now I know that we'll get a lot of whining about the reading list, but I think it's important that we stretch our horizons. Leave the Grisham trash at home. Dan and I will be collecting some suggested readings in MArxist anthropology, history, and Greek classics to keep the dinner conversation stimulating. We need to say more than "Yo, more wine down here." The funny thing about this is that when we all had dinner a couple of weeks ago, he pulled out a huge stack of books on these topics to pass out. I think everyone left them on the dining room table. I have NOT packed Grisham, however, and plan to have at least ONE impressive tome I can carry around in front of him- maybe something written in Mandarin, which he actually speaks. The motto of the group, which is called the Chevaliers du Slamback, is something like "Jamais en doute, toujours en vin." Never in doubt, always in wine. I think this is going to be a wonderful trip, but I tell you all this before, since I may remember nothing after.

To: Neocon who wrote (86689)	8/29/2000 1:36:09 PM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I do not know what is wrong with mentioning that personal achievement is praiseworthy. I am conscious that libertarians are reading what I write, and trying to make clear that in recommending charity to others, I do not mean to slight helping oneself. I will have to repeat my mother's words to me again: "It isn't what you say, dear. It's how you say it." In this country, nobody -- or should I say, practically nobody (for one never knows for sure) -- would dispute the assertion that "personal achievement is praiseworthy." What puzzled me was your emphasizing that you personally believe it praiseworthy? It came across as if you felt that many people (myself included) do not believe it praiseworthy. How was I to know that you were addressing the concerns of your libertarian "readership"? Personally, I do not think of my posts here as written for the ages, or for the masses. They are a pastime, a nice relaxation from my "serious" writing (which I have been neglecting this last week), a way of communicating with nice people. (I do consider you "nice people," btw. But perhaps you take yourself a bit too seriously, um?) Joan