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To: Barry A. Watzman who wrote (123325)	8/30/2000 10:41:28 PM
From: chic_hearne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570526

Barry, I have a few problems with your position. 1). I don't buy those benchmarks one bit. In case you didn't notice, the P4 only performs at 60% of what an equally clocked Athlon does. That is way to low. I'm expecting the P4 to be slower than the Athlon, but 40% slower is just too much for me to believe. For the sake of my AMD investment, I hope you are right and those are real benchmarks. I'm thrilled to see a Celeron 600 beating the P4, but it can't be true. 2). The memory benchmark is irrelevent if the DRAM makers are not willing to make DRDRAM. When Intel called their emergency meeting a few months ago, they must have tried very hard to convince the DRAM makers by using every trick in the book. I believe if this memory benchmark is true, they wouldn't have had a problem convincing the DRAM makers to make DRDRAM. Intel was obviously unsuccessful. There isn't going to be quantity of DRDRAM around next year, so these benchmarks don't make one bit of difference to me even if true. chic

To: Barry A. Watzman who wrote (123325)	8/30/2000 11:45:15 PM
From: fp_scientist	Respond to of 1570526

Barry, Re: RDRAM The weakest point in your argument is that even if all the technological advantages of RDRAM turn out to be true (which many people here would dispute), you do concede that its advantages will not be seen until much later in the future ... So why bother with RDRAM now? I will consider RMBS as an investment then, not now. Furthermore, if the push comes to shovel, AMD chips are RDRAM compatible indeed. fp

To: Barry A. Watzman who wrote (123325)	8/30/2000 11:57:53 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570526

You can see the entire articles here: http://www.2cpu.com/Hardware/willy/willy_1.html theregister.co.uk So why am I here ? It's not to bash AMD or pump Intel. Thanks for the informative post. If the RMBS/P4 benchmarks are as good as 2CPU and the Register claim, then the P4 with RDRAM may be worth the heavy cost. ted

To: Barry A. Watzman who wrote (123325)	8/31/2000 12:50:59 AM
From: Dan3	Respond to of 1570526

Re: I'm here to talk about Rambus, and not about the current legal turmoil, but about the technology It's too late for that, the legal turmoil now controls Rambus' destiny. The memory manufacturers are now openly warring with Rambus - and Rambus instigated it with its demands for SDRAM/DDR royalties. Ramping of RDRAM production will almost certainly be slowed as a result of the lawsuits. Interesting that it turns out that there may have been some justification for RDRAM given the right chipset - but now the company's real technology will be ignored. And there is a good chance that P4 is going to orphaned due to a lack of memory infrastructure support. Dan

To: Barry A. Watzman who wrote (123325)	8/31/2000 2:46:46 AM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570526

Barry, re:<SiSoft Sandra memory benchmarks show the P4 delivering an ALU memory bandwidth of 1407 Mb/sec, and an FPU figure of 1520 Mb/sec. By comparison a 1GHz PIII looks very ordinary with 325 and 345Mb/sec respectively.> Yea, that sounds really great, but it is primarily due to the 4x faster BUS of the P4, not the Rambus memory. To confirm this, note that the Athlon handily beat the P3 in this memory bandwidth test, because its bus is 50% faster than the P3. But you apparently didn't bother to read the lackluster results using real software benchmarks which showed the P4-1GHz about the same speed as an Athlon 600 MHz. I agree that Rambus has great bandwidth, but bandwidth doesn't affect PC performance much -- hence the poor benchmark results. Petz