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To: Joey Smith who wrote (7688)	9/6/2000 10:23:44 AM
From: stribe30	Respond to of 275872

Joey Smith said: "In a few months, intel will have the fastest desktop chip with P4 & the marketing to go with it. Don't be fooled by a few anti-Intel sites running selected benchmarks on pre-production silicon" Gee.. I didnt realize that a hardware site that published benchmarks not favourable to Intel or criticisms of Intel were automatically classified as "anti-Intel".. IF that is the case, about 90% of the hardware sites out there fall under your broad umbrella. Without some of those "anti-Intel" sites, your fave company would have been outputting P 1.13's with errors in them and it would have taken far longer to find the error and been far more costly then just loss of face and reputation if the sites hadnt spoke up about it. As for the P4 hype.. we'll see.. I'm not going to hold my breath though. Intel hasnt done anything right yet this year.

To: Joey Smith who wrote (7688)	9/6/2000 10:34:25 AM
From: Daniel Schuh	Respond to of 275872

Sure, Joey. Then, there was Intel at IDF, showing a 1.4 ghz P4 smoking an 800mhz cumine, on one (1) dog-and-pony show demo. Who knows, the Netb**s marketing campaign may make the super-sized P4 a best seller, but then Intel will have to figure out how to meet demand with a die twice the size of cumine, not to mention expensive dual channel Rambus mobos. It could happen, but it's not going to strike fear in the hearts of the locals until the blanks get filled in. Elmer's flood of cumines, which we've been waiting for since January at least, seems a more credible threat. And that's very faint praise indeed for Elmer. Cheers, Dan.

To: Joey Smith who wrote (7688)	9/6/2000 10:55:26 AM
From: Petz	Respond to of 275872

Joey, <In a few months, intel will have the fastest desktop chip with P4 & the marketing to go with it> If you go by AMD's 100 MHz every 5-6 weeks comment, they will be at 1.4 GHz in December and 1.5 GHz in January. Do you really think a 1.5 GHz P4 will beat a 1.4 GHz Mustang, which is already faster than a 1.4 GHz Athlon? Plus, the P4 will need 71.4 watts based on extrapolation of IDF info on the 1.3 and 1.4. Message 14270149 At this point I'm not convinced 1.5 GHz will be released before the end of the year. Where can I buy the special case, special heat sink and special power supply, since Intel said it will need an auxiliary power connector just for the CPU? The RDRAM costs twice as much as SDRAM, actually, worse than that because you need to populate two channels. 64M RDRAM chips are too expensive, so most will use two 128M chips. Comparing the cost of two 128 RIMMs to one 256M PC133 DIMM, there's currently a $295 price premium for RDRAM. (Pricewatch) The chip itself will be much more expensive to produce because of its die size. Adding up the infrstructure costs, a 1.5 GHz P4 system will cost the manufacturer $500 more to produce than a 1.5 GHz Athlon system. Petz

To: Joey Smith who wrote (7688)	9/6/2000 10:58:32 AM
From: TechieGuy-alt	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

In a few months, intel will have the fastest desktop chip with P4 & the marketing to go with it. don't be fooled by a few anti-Intel sites running selected benchmarks on pre-production silicon. Sorry, I should have been a bit more clearer. I was not even thinking of the P4 and its performance. No matter how wonderfully the P4 performs, going by Intel's own statements, the P4 will be a very low volume game this year (and perhaps even Q1 2001). Intel have themselves stated that they will ship "few hundred thousand P4's this year". Intel, in Q4 of this year will ship >35 million processors total. You are depending on "few hundred thousand" P4's to hold the intruder (AMD) at bay? The bottom line is, by Q4 this year, in chips that matter (the main stream for each company in Q4), AMD, going by its public remarks, will be at least 4 speed grades higher than Intel! Have you thought about that. Forget the P4 for this year. (even at (say)$800/chip * 300K chips = 240million = 2.6% of possible 9B in Q4 revenues) TG