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To: Scumbria who wrote (124074)9/17/2000 1:56:26 PM
From: hmaly  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1571808
 
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Scumbia Re...<<Frankly, I fully expect that with the ability to drill 12000 feet under water, we will find several Saudi Arabia sized fields in the oceans.

What is this based on? <<<<
It is based on articles in Scientific American and Inventions and Technology on the ability of oil companies to drill from mobile platforms 12000 feet down. That plus the probability that since oceans cover 2/3 of earths surface, 2/3 of worlds oil fields lie under the oceans.

<<<It is ridiculous how we squander oil now. I lived in England 30 years ago, when very few people drove cars to work. The public transportation system was robust, and fully met the needs of most commuters.<<<

But, doesn't this statement show up the problems of public transportation. England, even with a robust public transportation system and high gas prices still lost out to the supposed convenience of the car. I wouldn't mind higher energy taxes on a gallon of gas, because we will pay the taxes anyway, and this would encourage alternate energy sources. A combination of Higher prices for hydrocarbons and scarcity of hydrocarbons will drive the push to alternate fuels, not scarcity alone as there are many sources of hydrocarbons at higher prices.



To: Scumbria who wrote (124074)9/17/2000 3:41:57 PM
From: Joe NYC  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1571808
 
Scumbria,

The way we waste oil driving back and forth to work is insanity.

That's what people chose to do, given a choice. So far, the strategy of forcing people back on the bus by making driving more expensive and time consuming has not worked. People seem to value the convenience, and are willing to pay for it.

Something that has not been tried is the other approach: making public transportation more attractive. Or even better, taking public out of the public transportation and replace it with private.

I actually took a bus from the airport the other day (you should try it one day, talk is cheap). It was run by a private company, and I had a very positive experience. The bus was roomy, quiet, clean, comfortable, air-conditioned, with enough leg room for my long legs.

Of course there is the inconvenience of not ending up exactly where you want to end up, and another leg by some other means of transportation to get to your doorstep, which can be very inconvenient with luggage. That's why people take cabs, if they can afford it.

The only way for mass transportation to work is to remove it from the control of people with 19th century, industrial age thinking. Also, the word "mass" will somehow need to be removed from mass transportation as well, and cater to the individual.

I don't see anything on the horizon with a good chance of succeeding.

Joe



To: Scumbria who wrote (124074)9/18/2000 5:15:17 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571808
 
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We are squandering this precious resource to support a low quality lifestyle. Commuters on Lawrence Expressway in
Sunnyvale waste 30 minutes every because they hit every single traffic light red.

Oil should be conserved for legitimate needs. Air travel, vacations, chemicals and plastics, trucking and farming, etc. The way we waste oil driving back and forth to work is insanity.


I can drive to work in 12 minutes (or about a half hour if I went during the peek of rush hour) or spend about an hour and a half on public transportation. This is in an area (Northern Virginia) that has some of the worst traffic in the country. Part of this disparity could be resolved with more spending on public transportation but no realistic amount of public spending could eliminate it. I do use public transportation most of the time when I go in to DC, but for suburb to suburb commutes it rarely is a good alternative and suburb to suburb commutes are becomeing an increaseing percentage of all commutes.

Tim