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To: Mama Bear who wrote (4146)	9/19/2000 9:05:42 AM
From: Mama Bear	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 13062

A further comment on the subject. I believe that one of the reason's that Libertarian candidates fare so poorly is because folks compromise their principles when going into the voting booth, and casting for the 'lesser of two evils', because they fear the 'greater evil' may win otherwise. As a result the party fares less well and is marginalized. The reality of the situation is that there hasn't been a presidential election since I've been voting where it would have made a difference if every single Libertarian vote had gone to one candidate or the other. But the Libertarian votes that went to other parties would have made a HUGE difference to the party. Think about it when you stand in the voting booth wondering if you shouldn't vote for the person who is the son of a career politician who is named after his father. Will compromising your vote and casting for one of the interchangeable ambassadors of big government really make a difference to the outcome? Casting for the Libertarian will make a difference to the future, IMHO. If less than 5 million votes determines the presidential election in November, I'll eat my keyboard. Try voting for, instead of against. You might be amazed how good you feel the morning after. Regards, Barb

To: Mama Bear who wrote (4146)	9/19/2000 10:28:32 AM
From: The Street	Respond to of 13062

There IS no difference. Bush will continue the BS and destroy the Constitution from a total Rights standpoint. Gore will continue the BS and destroy the Constitution from a Second and Fourth Amendment standpoint. I am voting for Browne. I WASTED my vote on Dole. Still feel guilty for not speaking my mind....

To: Mama Bear who wrote (4146)	9/19/2000 11:27:01 AM
From: Tom Clarke	Respond to of 13062

I have voted Libertarian in the past and I expect I will again, but not in this election. The crimes and misdeeds that the gang of criminals who run the executive branch have perpetrated has to be responded to.

To: Mama Bear who wrote (4146)	9/19/2000 12:11:40 PM
From: Jim S	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13062

I agree with Charley on this. You speak of wasting a vote by going with one of the 'big two,' but in point of fact, those are the ONLY votes that aren't being pissed away. In local elections, where minor party candidates can actually have a shot at winning an election, it is a whole other story, and I encourage folks to go for the candidate that best represents their views. At the national level, it is a forgone conclusion that one of the 'big two' will win, and in today's environment, rightly so. A third party candidate elected to the presidency would be worse than Jimmy Carter in his ineffectiveness. The power bases inside the Beltway (politicians, news media, lobbyists, etc) control what becomes law, not the president. A minority party president would be "ganged up" on by both major party apparatii (apparatuses?) and virtually everything attempted would be buried through overridden vetos or spiked legislation. A minor party president would be a nightmare in today's environment. If you want a "feel good" vote, do it for your local offices. If you want to see Libertarian ideas and ideals be advanced on a national level, it must start at local levels and build to the higher levels. The math of a vote for a third party is simple -- it takes away a vote for either of the two people with a chance to win, and multiplies the effectiveness of the smaller number of votes going to Bush or Gore. Thus, a smaller number of people will decide who will win the election. The next Prez will fill 2-4 anticipated openings on the Supreme Court. The choice, IMO, is more critical now than at any time since FDR's second term. If Algore wins, his justices will 'interpret' laws to reflect their own Marxist opinions, and bend the words of the Constitution to fit those beliefs. If Bush wins, he has promised (for whatever that may be worth) to appoint judges that will reflect what the Constitution actually says, not what they WISH it said. If you think big government and socialist ideals reflect your Libertarian ideals, Algore's your man. OTOH, if like me, you want to slow the encroachment of socialism, there is really no other choice than Bush, whether you like him or not. A "feel good" vote for any 3rd party is not only wasted, it subtracts from whichever "lesser evil" is sure to win. As a sidenote on the Supreme Court appointments, consider what would happen to any appointments by a third party president in the Senate Confirmation Hearings. If I came across too strongly in this post, I apologize. I just want folks to understand how critical this election is, and how important their vote is. jim