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To: Moving Sphere who wrote (11365)	9/26/2000 6:50:25 PM
From: RC Stein	Respond to of 14778

MS,, sorry I can't answer your question about why resource meter shows one thing and system monitor shows another. Could be that brokers software is just buggy and there is no telling what it is doing or to whom. Best option would probably be to contact broker and complain, or just try and find another way of doing it without that software.. Richard

To: Moving Sphere who wrote (11365)	9/26/2000 7:09:41 PM
From: wily	Respond to of 14778

MS, The Resource Meter indicates Windows resources -- not hardware resources such as memory and cpu usage. What System Monitor is telling you about the hardware is accurate. You do not have a memory or cpu usage problem. With all those windows open, it is possible that, for example, a Netscape "OK" screen is open but hidden beneath another window. Clicking on one of the Netscape browsers would probably produce a "ding" sound in such a situation. Do you get a "ding"? Nevertheless, my system finally "crashed" with my inability to switch my Netscape browser from one to another. Clicking on each browser did not bring that browser out to the forefront. In fact, all browsers were frozen, so to speak. You say that the browsers were frozen at this point: how about the other apps? You have not told us whether the other apps are frozen. If it is only Netscape that is frozen, try shutting it down with ctrl/alt/del Sounds like you're narrowing it down and my guess at this point is that it's an OS Resources problem. Someone on this thread a few months ago posted an explanation of what System Resources means. I'll see if I can dig it up. wily

To: Moving Sphere who wrote (11365)	9/26/2000 7:21:47 PM
From: wily	Respond to of 14778

This should give you a good idea about Windows Resources: Message 12624181 Message 12633141 Message 12649314 Message 12633245 Message 12670345 Message 12670506

To: Moving Sphere who wrote (11365)	9/26/2000 8:11:16 PM
From: CatLady	Respond to of 14778

Here is an interesting observation. After loading up all the above windows in that order, my resource Meter was showing a dangerously low 7% free with a grey warning box popping out to alert me. . . . Nevertheless, my system finally "crashed" with my inability to switch my Netscape browser from one to another. Forgive me for jumping in without carefully reading everything that's come before this post, but.. I'm suspicious of Netscape causing your problems. What version of Netscape are you running? 4.75 is pretty stable, but there were other versions that were pretty bad at chewing up system resources. I wonder if you'd consider using only IE for one day to see if the problem still occurs? Alternately, there are programs such as MemTurbo which help Win9x manage memory more efficiently. I have no personal experience with them, because I'm using Win2000, but people on some of the newsgroups I read swear by them for Windows resource constraint problems.

To: Moving Sphere who wrote (11365)	9/26/2000 8:22:26 PM
From: Howard R. Hansen	Respond to of 14778

The Resource Meter and the System Monitor monitor different aspects of memory. The Resource Meter monitors the amount of free memory in two 64 kilobyte blocks of memory used by Windows 98 to store pointers to GDI and User data. These two 64 kilobyte blocks of memory are fixed in size by the operating system and buying more memory will not increase their size. The two 64 kilobyte blocks are used to make Windows 98 compatible with older 16 bit Windows ( 3.0 and 3.1 ) programs. When all of the memory in either 64 kilobyte block has been used your system will hang. Whereas the System Monitor monitors the amount of memory used by and available for use by programs. If you are having trouble with system resources running low it may be because you have to many programs loaded. A lot of the junk that appears in the system tray can use a lot or system resources. Getting rid of a lot of the junk, programs, that get automatically loaded at boot up can increase the amount of resources that are available for your trading programs. The system tray is the area on the right side of your task bar. I have a 256K RAM memory, Oh by the way the correct wording is 256M, 256 megabytes, of memory not 256K.

To: Moving Sphere who wrote (11365)	9/26/2000 10:12:38 PM
From: stullbj	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14778

MS, Hardware problem - no Software problem - yes Culprits - Could be anything? Broker's software, Netscape as Catlady pointed out, Combination of Broker's software and Netscape, MyTrack running along side of Netscape, and on and on... I doubt you will ever figure it out. My suggestion is if you want to have a stable operating enviroment is that you invest in a better OS than Win98. Win98 is just not built to multitask. You will need to get either Windows NT 4.0 Workstation or Windows 2000. Both are built on the NT Kernal. This means that even if some rouge program crashes that it will not interrupt other programs. Each program gets it's own memory space as opposed to Win98's scheme in that it shares memory space among apps. If one app goes down in 98 then they all do. -Brian-