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To: Tony Viola who wrote (111719)	9/28/2000 6:07:26 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Tony, re: "Anyway, it's been hard for me to see for quite a while how Apple competes, what with practically all software getting released for the PC first, and it's always cheaper for the PC, and maybe it never come out for Apple at all. At Fry's, the Apple stuff is isolated from the PC stuff, and there never seem to be any customers around it either." I have always been amazed at Apple's success as well. The thing that they have that all the other PC manufacturers don't have is excellent marketing. If a HP or Compaq or Dell had half their marketing skill... BTW, how do we get rid of the jerk. He makes Pete, Dan and the rest of the 'Droids look good, and I didn't think that could be done. John

To: Tony Viola who wrote (111719)	9/28/2000 6:55:04 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Tony, <Some saying on an Apple thread that their fastest CPU chip is 500 MHz. Unless they do the opposite of long pipeline CPUs, and get a whole lot of logic done per clock cycle, they can't be very fast in terms of benchmark stuff. OTOH, I've read about them beating much faster clock PIII PCs at stuff they can run in common.> Check out this review of the Apple G4 Dual 500 on ZDNet: zdnet.com zdnet.com (direct link to benchmark results) They are comparing a dual G4 500 MHz box to a dual Pentium III 1 GHz box. Seems like the results are inconclusive for Photoshop (G4 wins some, P3 wins some), and favorable to Pentium III in other applications. Of course, those results will not shut those Mac fanatics up anytime soon. By the way, Motorola will soon update the PowerPC G4 core. Among the changes will be: - Extended pipeline from five to seven stages - Increased frequency from 500 MHz to 700+ MHz. - On-die L2 cache, support for external L3 cache It will be manufactured in a 0.18u process (Motorola calls it 0.13u, but MPR says it's actually 0.18u) and should be released ... er ... well, it was slated for release in the middle of this year. Guess that's another schedule slip that we don't hear about. Tenchusatsu